Dom (and Ella), I have a question. How would you define "sin"?

Back from research.

"an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation."

Hmm. Sounds like a slur to me.

Your wording insinuates this is the definition of homophobe. It’s not, it’s the definition of slur. Don’t do that

And that’s not why people call homophobic people homophobes

As Nutella has said, I see it all the time. It's a joke really. Just another one of those things thrown at public figures that don't agree with the mob. Bigot, homophobe, racist, sexist ect. Ben Shapiro has been called a Nazi for crying out loud!

Maybe…..people are being called racists, sexists, and homophobes……because they're being racist, sexist, and homophobic…..idk just a crazy though I had!

And I'm sure Ben Shapiro is secretly a Nazi.

How would you feel if you went out in public with a wife or girlfriend and people were constantly glaring at you, covering their kid's eyes when you walked by and whispering slurs under their breath. What if you wouldn't go to Homecoming or Prom with your girlfriend because you were afraid of what your friends and classmates would say? What if you couldn't bring her home without risking being beaten or kicked out? What if a person walked up to you, saw you with her, and threatened to sexually assault you so you can see what it's like to be a 'real man'? Every movie you go to, every book you read or television show you watch has a character who loves the way you do.
Look at the hate crime against Matthew Shepard and tell me again how homophobia isn't real.
Look at the Orlando shooting and tell me that homophobia is fake and made up.
You're straight, and you will never understand how hard it is not to be, so at least show some damn sympathy and support for those who happen to love a different way.

Being gay isn't a sin but go off I guess.
If God didn't want people to be gay, He wouldn't have made them gay. Simple logic.

Well according to the Catholic, Orthodox and all other churches that can trace their roots back to the original church it is a sin.
And if God doesn't like sickness he wouldn't have invented diseases.

Like I said, it isn't.
And that's potentially the worst example you could've used.
So if Ford didn't want car crashes, they just….wouldn't have invented cars?
Come back with a logical argument.

I see the flaw I made.

Seriously 3+ pages of this shit. Come on, most of you arguing against it are just pushing against fact and using an old book.

Stop. Let's just end this stupid thing.

Seriously 3+ pages of this shit. Come on, most of you arguing against it are just pushing against fact and using an old book.

Stop. Let's just end this stupid thing.

First off, the debate is whether or not it’s considered sinful according to the Bible, so of course we’re referring to it. This isn’t really a logical debate as much as it is an opinionated one.

Second, I agree, this has been debated at least a thousand times and no one can ever come to an agreement. It’s quite pointless.

Seriously 3+ pages of this shit. Come on, most of you arguing against it are just pushing against fact and using an old book.

Stop. Let's just end this stupid thing.

First off, the debate is whether or not it’s considered sinful according to the Bible, so of course we’re referring to it. This isn’t really a logical debate as much as it is an opinionated one.

Second, I agree, this has been debated at least a thousand times and no one can ever come to an agreement. It’s quite pointless.

Then why the hell has it taken three pages for you to realize this?

I'd like you to just step away from the keyboard and take a good, hard look at how people look at you. Then shut the hell up.

Being gay isn't a sin but go off I guess.
If God didn't want people to be gay, He wouldn't have made them gay. Simple logic.

Well according to the Catholic, Orthodox and all other churches that can trace their roots back to the original church it is a sin.
And if God doesn't like sickness he wouldn't have invented diseases.

If we're going to call being gay a sickness let's discuss diseases with the ex med student shall we?

Diseases leave a mark/imprint/sign on the body that it is destroying it or that it is there within the host. Even mental illnesses can show up upon a brain scan or an electrode test. Yes? Yes.

Being gay doesn't show up on anything. ZIP. Not a single shred of ANYTHING on tests. Being Gay is not a disease or mental sickness or anything of the sort. You cannot medically see or prove that someone is gay.
Enough of this bullshit.

Well either the medical equipment we have now cannot sense it, or it is a spiritual disease, or you are completely correct.

Well either the medical equipment we have now cannot sense it, or it is a spiritual disease, or you are completely correct.

What the actual hell did I just read?

I'm sorry but???

Are you determined to be so close-minded?

Dom (and Ella), I have a question. How would you define "sin"?

Anything God says is wrong. (Though it is my personal opinion that all sins correspond with a mental, physical, or spiritual imbalance or negative effect.)

Well either the medical equipment we have now cannot sense it, or it is a spiritual disease, or you are completely correct.

What the actual hell did I just read?

I'm sorry but???

Are you determined to be so close-minded?

Are there other options? If so please tell.

Seriously 3+ pages of this shit. Come on, most of you arguing against it are just pushing against fact and using an old book.

Stop. Let's just end this stupid thing.

First off, the debate is whether or not it’s considered sinful according to the Bible, so of course we’re referring to it. This isn’t really a logical debate as much as it is an opinionated one.

Second, I agree, this has been debated at least a thousand times and no one can ever come to an agreement. It’s quite pointless.

No debate is pointless, Ella. Seriously stop saying this shit. These are people's lives. Just because you don't like talking about it or can't keep up with people who have actual valid arguments doesn't mean you can degrade it to being pointless.

Well either the medical equipment we have now cannot sense it, or it is a spiritual disease, or you are completely correct.

What the actual hell did I just read?

I'm sorry but???

Are you determined to be so close-minded?

Are there other options? If so please tell.

There aren't.

That is all just… disrespectful.

I'm honestly floored.

Seriously 3+ pages of this shit. Come on, most of you arguing against it are just pushing against fact and using an old book.

Stop. Let's just end this stupid thing.

First off, the debate is whether or not it’s considered sinful according to the Bible, so of course we’re referring to it. This isn’t really a logical debate as much as it is an opinionated one.

Second, I agree, this has been debated at least a thousand times and no one can ever come to an agreement. It’s quite pointless.

No debate is pointless, Ella. Seriously stop saying this shit. These are people's lives. Just because you don't like talking about it or can't keep up with people who have actual valid arguments doesn't mean you can degrade it to being pointless.

^

Well either the medical equipment we have now cannot sense it, or it is a spiritual disease, or you are completely correct.

What the actual hell did I just read?

I'm sorry but???

Are you determined to be so close-minded?

Are there other options? If so please tell.

There aren't.

That is all just… disrespectful.

I'm honestly floored.

How is it disrespectful to stick with my beliefs instead of submitting to somone else's?

Well either the medical equipment we have now cannot sense it, or it is a spiritual disease, or you are completely correct.

What the actual hell did I just read?

I'm sorry but???

Are you determined to be so close-minded?

Are there other options? If so please tell.

There aren't.

That is all just… disrespectful.

I'm honestly floored.

How is it disrespectful to stick with my beliefs instead of submitting to somone else's?

You can at least acknowledge it in a more respectful way than OH MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO SEE GAYNESS IN SOMEONE LMAO

Seriously?

1. How so? How were they ruining marriage before they could get married?
2. It's not about geographical location. There are no stories about how gay people ruined marriages! If you're talking about a situation where a male in a hetero marriage left his wife for a man, that is not destroying a marriage. The male was always gay and finally have the courage to come out and live the life he actually wanted. (vise versa for my lesbian ladies out there.)
3. What's the story?

1. Lol you're taking a too narrow view of it. The straight people can do it too! Lol.
2. Think about the kids or the wife. That is putting yourself above the person you made an oath to. If you think being an oathbreaker for your own benefit is courageous we have different views on honor.
3. Not now. (Busy)

1. You didn't answer my question. Straight people think of insane ways to destroy marriage. Trust, I am a product of a failed marriage.
2. Most families would rather see their father (mother) happy then forced into something they do not want, a loveless marriage. A wise warrior once said that the duty is to the heart before all else. It is still honorable to bow out of a oath one cannot keep.
3. T_T

Being gay isn't a sin but go off I guess.
If God didn't want people to be gay, He wouldn't have made them gay. Simple logic.

Well according to the Catholic, Orthodox and all other churches that can trace their roots back to the original church it is a sin.
And if God doesn't like sickness he wouldn't have invented diseases.

If we're going to call being gay a sickness let's discuss diseases with the ex med student shall we?

Diseases leave a mark/imprint/sign on the body that it is destroying it or that it is there within the host. Even mental illnesses can show up upon a brain scan or an electrode test. Yes? Yes.

Being gay doesn't show up on anything. ZIP. Not a single shred of ANYTHING on tests. Being Gay is not a disease or mental sickness or anything of the sort. You cannot medically see or prove that someone is gay.
Enough of this bullshit.

Well either the medical equipment we have now cannot sense it, or it is a spiritual disease, or you are completely correct.

If the soul is perfect it cannot be diseased.

I am correct.

Back from research.

"an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation."

Hmm. Sounds like a slur to me.

Your wording insinuates this is the definition of homophobe. It’s not, it’s the definition of slur. Don’t do that

And that’s not why people call homophobic people homophobes

As Nutella has said, I see it all the time. It's a joke really. Just another one of those things thrown at public figures that don't agree with the mob. Bigot, homophobe, racist, sexist ect. Ben Shapiro has been called a Nazi for crying out loud!

Maybe…..people are being called racists, sexists, and homophobes……because they're being racist, sexist, and homophobic…..idk just a crazy though I had!

And I'm sure Ben Shapiro is secretly a Nazi.

How would you feel if you went out in public with a wife or girlfriend and people were constantly glaring at you, covering their kid's eyes when you walked by and whispering slurs under their breath. What if you wouldn't go to Homecoming or Prom with your girlfriend because you were afraid of what your friends and classmates would say? What if you couldn't bring her home without risking being beaten or kicked out? What if a person walked up to you, saw you with her, and threatened to sexually assault you so you can see what it's like to be a 'real man'? Every movie you go to, every book you read or television show you watch has a character who loves the way you do.
Look at the hate crime against Matthew Shepard and tell me again how homophobia isn't real.
Look at the Orlando shooting and tell me that homophobia is fake and made up.
You're straight, and you will never understand how hard it is not to be, so at least show some damn sympathy and support for those who happen to love a different way.

Um. I never said it didn't exist. I just stated that the word was dumb. If it was called gayhate or something like that I would be fine. (Well except that I believe it would still be thrown around at people who merely disagree.) I think it exists. Of course it does. There's a hate group for everyone. Some of the people who hate gays would also want to execute my mom.

You are correct, Eris.

Well either the medical equipment we have now cannot sense it, or it is a spiritual disease, or you are completely correct.

What the actual hell did I just read?

I'm sorry but???

Are you determined to be so close-minded?

Are there other options? If so please tell.

There aren't.

That is all just… disrespectful.

I'm honestly floored.

How is it disrespectful to stick with my beliefs instead of submitting to somone else's?

You can at least acknowledge it in a more respectful way than OH MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO SEE GAYNESS IN SOMEONE LMAO

Seriously?

Well without that we also can't prove that people are gay from birth so you're not the only one disappointed.

Well either the medical equipment we have now cannot sense it, or it is a spiritual disease, or you are completely correct.

What the actual hell did I just read?

I'm sorry but???

Are you determined to be so close-minded?

Are there other options? If so please tell.

There aren't.

That is all just… disrespectful.

I'm honestly floored.

How is it disrespectful to stick with my beliefs instead of submitting to somone else's?

You can at least acknowledge it in a more respectful way than OH MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO SEE GAYNESS IN SOMEONE LMAO

Seriously?

Well without that we also can't prove that people are gay from birth so you're not the only one disappointed.

What the physical fucking hell is wrong with you?

Back from research.

"an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation."

Hmm. Sounds like a slur to me.

Your wording insinuates this is the definition of homophobe. It’s not, it’s the definition of slur. Don’t do that

And that’s not why people call homophobic people homophobes

As Nutella has said, I see it all the time. It's a joke really. Just another one of those things thrown at public figures that don't agree with the mob. Bigot, homophobe, racist, sexist ect. Ben Shapiro has been called a Nazi for crying out loud!

Maybe…..people are being called racists, sexists, and homophobes……because they're being racist, sexist, and homophobic…..idk just a crazy though I had!

And I'm sure Ben Shapiro is secretly a Nazi.

How would you feel if you went out in public with a wife or girlfriend and people were constantly glaring at you, covering their kid's eyes when you walked by and whispering slurs under their breath. What if you wouldn't go to Homecoming or Prom with your girlfriend because you were afraid of what your friends and classmates would say? What if you couldn't bring her home without risking being beaten or kicked out? What if a person walked up to you, saw you with her, and threatened to sexually assault you so you can see what it's like to be a 'real man'? Every movie you go to, every book you read or television show you watch has a character who loves the way you do.
Look at the hate crime against Matthew Shepard and tell me again how homophobia isn't real.
Look at the Orlando shooting and tell me that homophobia is fake and made up.
You're straight, and you will never understand how hard it is not to be, so at least show some damn sympathy and support for those who happen to love a different way.

Um. I never said it didn't exist. I just stated that the word was dumb. If it was called gayhate or something like that I would be fine. (Well except that I believe it would still be thrown around at people who merely disagree.) I think it exists. Of course it does. There's a hate group for everyone. Some of the people who hate gays would also want to execute my mom.

Again, how is beating a 21 year old to death with the only reasoning being 'he's gay' just a disagreement? How is conditioning children that the only person they can love is someone of the opposite sex, no matter how they feel? How is shooting up a gay club not considered having a fear of gay people? Most hate crimes are based off of 'gay panic', aka when a straight person feels threatened by the presence of a gay person. So it is literally fear of a homosexual person, or homophobia.

oooooooooooooookay that was a lot

If the soul is perfect it cannot be diseased.

I am correct.

And you assume the soul is perfect. Something you cannot give evidence for. That doesn't look like anything but preaching to the believers. And you ended that by saying "I am correct." Isn't the whole point in debate to discover and learn instead of just assert you are correct?

Dom, since the only argument you seem to be making is sending links to YouTube videos, I suggest sitting down and watching The Laramie Project to broaden your horizons.