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Started March 14, 2019 by Deleted user

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https://www.notebook.ai/forum/general-chat/guys-you-need-to-spread-this-everywhere-its-important-and-trans-lives-depend-on-it#unread
Super important. Share it and spread it

^Not to be rude, but could you please stop posting that everywhere? Not that that isn't an important thread, but what you're doing is spam, and also really inconsiderate. The general forum is by far the most active one on this site so people are still pretty likely to see it without you posting it in other threads. If you want more people to see it, why don't you share it on social media? Or show it to some of your irl friends/family?

I'm going to repost @"The Grammar Queen"'s post since it got buried, and I think it's an interesting topic

𝙷𝚎𝚛𝚎'𝚜 𝚊𝚗 𝚞𝚗𝚙𝚘𝚙𝚞𝚕𝚊𝚛 𝚘𝚙𝚒𝚗𝚒𝚘𝚗: 𝚂𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚐𝚜 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝚜𝚞𝚌𝚔. 𝙸'𝚖 𝚊 𝚍𝚘𝚐 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝙸'𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚠𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚐𝚘𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚗 𝚒𝚗 𝚍𝚎𝚋𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚙𝚎𝚘𝚙𝚕𝚎 𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚊𝚌𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚜𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚐𝚜 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚟𝚒𝚘𝚕𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚊 𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎. 𝚆𝚎𝚕𝚕, 𝚕𝚊𝚜𝚝 𝚗𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝, 𝚖𝚢 𝚖𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝟷𝟻 𝚢𝚎𝚊𝚛 𝚘𝚕𝚍 𝚋𝚛𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚠𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚠𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚑𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚛𝚢 {𝚠𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚊 𝚏𝚎𝚠 𝚋𝚕𝚘𝚌𝚔𝚜 𝚊𝚠𝚊𝚢} 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚢 𝚋𝚛𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚌𝚑𝚊𝚜𝚎𝚍 𝚋𝚢 𝚊𝚗 𝚊𝚐𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚜𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚞𝚗𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚍𝚘𝚐. 𝙸𝚏 𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚒𝚍𝚗'𝚝 𝚛𝚞𝚗 𝚚𝚞𝚒𝚌𝚔𝚕𝚢 𝚎𝚗𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚐 𝚠𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚊𝚌𝚔𝚎𝚍, 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚠𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚎𝚍 𝚙𝚊𝚜𝚝 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚘𝚠𝚗𝚎𝚛 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚝𝚘𝚘 𝚜𝚝𝚞𝚙𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚙𝚞𝚝 𝚊 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚑 𝚘𝚗 𝚑𝚒𝚖. {𝙿𝚘𝚕𝚒𝚌𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚗𝚘𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚒𝚎𝚍.}

I’m sorry I just want everyone to see and spread it. Continue with your debating.

Yeah. Some dogs suck.

^ A very compelling argument.

Anyways, as far as aggressive dogs go, I feel like the problem almost always lies with irresponsible owners, which means a couple different things:

• It is crucial to socialize your dog as a puppy. The puppy years are the most important for socializing. Not familiarizing your dog to new people, places, or pets can cause behaviour problems such as aggression. Likewise, if your dog has a bad experience as a puppy it could stick with them for a long time.
• If you know your dog has a history of aggression than it's your responsibility as an owner to not only recognize it but to take the necessary precautions to keep it from attacking someone. Buy a muzzle, keep it on a short leash. And for the love of god do not bring them to dog parks (I know that probably sounds ridiculous, but I have seen it)! Do what you need to do*
• A lot of dogs don't attack unprovoked, but a lot of people don't familiarize themselves with dog body language. If a dog has it's tail between its legs, has it's ears back, is backing away/cowering that means it's afraid, and if it's afraid that means it could lash out to try and defend itself. If you try to pet a dog that's showing all these signs and it tries to bite you it's not an "out of the blue" attack. It was trying to give warning signs and they were ignored.

*My dog was attacked by another dog on my street while I was walking him one day. The owner claimed that he was "usually super friendly" and "has never done anything like this before." However, when I went home and told my mom, she knew exactly which dog it was because she's seen this owner having troubles controlling the dog and has also seen the dog barking and growling at other dogs. Doesn't strike me as a super friendly dog :/ And that made me really mad because that's both ignorant and irresponsible on the owners part. How can you claim your dog is friendly if he's constantly growling at other dogs?
There's so many things that this owner could have done to have prevented that from happening, but the biggest problem to me is that she seemed to be in denial of her dog's behaviour problems. We all love our pets, but it's important to recognize these kinds of issues.

TLDR; Irresponsible owners are actually the ones that suck.

v Thanks :)

Very well put!

I always blame the owner when it comes to unruly pets. Honestly, If you are willing to take on the responsibility of having a pet then you should have the time and energy and will to make sure that it is well behaved.

This goes for children as well.

Salty much?

I despise poorly behaved children.

Well, to be fair, sometimes the child might have a mental disorder or something that could cause them to act up even if the parent was doing all they could to keep them under control… But yeah most of the time parents just suck at caring for their children

More often than not, that is not the case. My brother is the most well behaved, even with the troubles he has.

I recommend whacking them more tbh. Americans are too soft on their children.

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An absolute, 100% mood.

I recommend whacking them more tbh. Americans are too soft on their children.

Violence isn't the way to discipline children.

Sometimes, sometimes not. I was speaking in a rather casual manner. Eris wrote something rather good on the subject earlier.

Can’t find it. Must have been on a different thread.

I think that debate was in the Rudeness chat

But violence incites fear, and therefore using it to discipline children causes not only fear to mess up but also fear of the parent.

I disagree with hitting kids. I don't think it's necessary. At the VERY most, a small slap on the wrist if a very tiny child does something urgently terrible. Otherwise, kid knows reason, kid doesn't need to be beaten.

What I said before:

I grew up with spanking as well, but it did not have a poor impact on my life. Not one that I am aware of anyway. It's pretty normal to get smacked in a hispanic family, you know that your family member isn't trying to hurt you, you were just acting like an ass. Nor am I afraid of my mother because of it, that's just nonsense.
I think that jumping straight to physical punishment is wrong. There should be respect even between a young child and their parent. Children should be taught reasonably how to properly behave and the difference between right and wrong, before being subjected to punishment. They should have the chance to learn/ test boundaries/ express themselves just like anyone else.

Generally speaking, in a normally functioning family, a child knows when they are being naughty and expect some kind of 'event' in direct causation to what they have done. So fear isn't particularly a good word to use in this scenario.

If most children are like me they kinda got off on the high of maybe getting in trouble for shit.

Well whatever the case, a lot of kids (especially in white suburban American families) behave badly as well as not getting spanked. I see a correlation.
I’m not saying always whack your kids, but if you’ve done any raising of kids, you probably know they need it sometimes.

Now for something a little more controversial; drag. I’m against it, though up until this year I was pretty chill with it. What do you think?

Drag as in racing?
or
Drag as in Drag Queen?

Drag queens.