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God Tier Dumbledore is AVPM Dumbledore and y'all can't change my mind.

Everyone is God Tier in AVPM and ya'll can't change my mind

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He literally raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. It was his plan all along to have this little boy die. That shouldn't be acceptable.
He also knew Harry was in an abusive home. I don't care if its to save the entire world, there is never a good reason to keep a child in an abusive home, let alone knowingly put him in one.
In my opinion, the events that transpired in the first book were a test for Harry. What other reason would Dumbledore have to keep such an important artifact that Voldemort would definitely want, should he hear word of it, at Hogwarts? This isn't a rhetorical question, I don't actually remember if there was a legitimate "reason". It literally showed up at Hogwarts around the exact same time Harry showed up at Hogwarts? Why not keep it at Gringotts? Supposedly, it was safer at Hogwarts, but three 11-year-olds were able to get to something that was meant to keep out the most dangerous wizard of the time. Unless of course, it was a test set up by Dumbledore.

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Well it was either that or let Voldemort kill Harry and win. Plus, we don't know Dumbledore didn't know- Double negative, crap. Dumbledore could have known how everything would turn out.
But the abusive home also kept him in a charm of protection???
I think you're right on the test. But remember that the tests down there were pretty good. Idek how Voldy/Q got down there.

I'm one of those awful people who loves to speculate alternate scenarios in both history and fiction.

"Yer not special Harry."

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Everyone is God Tier in AVPM and ya'll can't change my mind

AVPS Umbridge tho is my spirit animal.

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He literally raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. It was his plan all along to have this little boy die. That shouldn't be acceptable.
He also knew Harry was in an abusive home. I don't care if its to save the entire world, there is never a good reason to keep a child in an abusive home, let alone knowingly put him in one.
In my opinion, the events that transpired in the first book were a test for Harry. What other reason would Dumbledore have to keep such an important artifact that Voldemort would definitely want, should he hear word of it, at Hogwarts? This isn't a rhetorical question, I don't actually remember if there was a legitimate "reason". It literally showed up at Hogwarts around the exact same time Harry showed up at Hogwarts? Why not keep it at Gringotts? Supposedly, it was safer at Hogwarts, but three 11-year-olds were able to get to something that was meant to keep out the most dangerous wizard of the time. Unless of course, it was a test set up by Dumbledore.

Spoiler - click to show.

Well it was either that or let Voldemort kill Harry and win. Plus, we don't know Dumbledore didn't know- Double negative, crap. Dumbledore could have known how everything would turn out.
But the abusive home also kept him in a charm of protection???
I think you're right on the test. But remember that the tests down there were pretty good. Idek how Voldy/Q got down there.

Spoiler - click to show.

What is your first point referring to?
I don't care. This was magic wizard world, he could have found another way. There is no good reason to put a child in an abusive home. Period. I would bet a lot of money on the fact that Harry wasn't hugged until he was 11. That messes with you psychologically.
Well Quirrel was pretty smart

I'm one of those awful people who loves to speculate alternate scenarios in both history and fiction.

"Yer not special Harry."

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I mean…..He's really not.

Everyone is God Tier in AVPM and ya'll can't change my mind

You're right and you should say it.
They added a lot of depth to Quirrell as well!!

Everyone is God Tier in AVPM and ya'll can't change my mind

i smell starkid

I'm one of those awful people who loves to speculate alternate scenarios in both history and fiction.

"Yer not special Harry."

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Same.
I was working on a fanfic where Harry had been killed by Voldemort as a baby (Snape went with Voldy and blocked Lily from getting in front of Harry) and then Lily and the Order head a rebellion against Voldemort, who responds by torching #12 and the Burrow, among other locations so the rebellion dies down. It centered on the remaining Weasleys/Order, and a group of resilient muggles and muggle-borns led by Hermione Granger in a semi post-apocolyptic setting, because Voldy.

DDDDDDDaymn

I'm one of those awful people who loves to speculate alternate scenarios in both history and fiction.

"Yer not special Harry."

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Same.
I was working on a fanfic where Harry had been killed by Voldemort as a baby (Snape went with Voldy and blocked Lily from getting in front of Harry) and then Lily and the Order head a rebellion against Voldemort, who responds by torching #12 and the Burrow, among other locations so the rebellion dies down. It centered on the remaining Weasleys/Order, and a group of resilient muggles and muggle-borns led by Hermione Granger in a semi post-apocolyptic setting, because Voldy.

That's actually a really cool concept. It really shows you how one slightly altered event can change an entire seven book (eight movie) series.

I wrote 1 chapter and then got distracted because ADD is so fun.

Oh. My. Gosh. Relatable.

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He literally raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. It was his plan all along to have this little boy die. That shouldn't be acceptable.
He also knew Harry was in an abusive home. I don't care if its to save the entire world, there is never a good reason to keep a child in an abusive home, let alone knowingly put him in one.
In my opinion, the events that transpired in the first book were a test for Harry. What other reason would Dumbledore have to keep such an important artifact that Voldemort would definitely want, should he hear word of it, at Hogwarts? This isn't a rhetorical question, I don't actually remember if there was a legitimate "reason". It literally showed up at Hogwarts around the exact same time Harry showed up at Hogwarts? Why not keep it at Gringotts? Supposedly, it was safer at Hogwarts, but three 11-year-olds were able to get to something that was meant to keep out the most dangerous wizard of the time. Unless of course, it was a test set up by Dumbledore.

Spoiler - click to show.

Well it was either that or let Voldemort kill Harry and win. Plus, we don't know Dumbledore didn't know- Double negative, crap. Dumbledore could have known how everything would turn out.
But the abusive home also kept him in a charm of protection???
I think you're right on the test. But remember that the tests down there were pretty good. Idek how Voldy/Q got down there.

Spoiler - click to show.

What is your first point referring to?
I don't care. This was magic wizard world, he could have found another way. There is no good reason to put a child in an abusive home. Period. I would bet a lot of money on the fact that Harry wasn't hugged until he was 11. That messes with you psychologically.
Well Quirrel was pretty smart

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Harry could have been raised by any other magical family related to him and it would have had the same effect. Where are Harry's grand parents on the Potter side? Hmmmm?
Let's not forget that Dumbledore knew Sirius was innocent and let him rot in Azkaban for 12 years, instead of professing/ testifying his innocence and letting him raise Harry as a Godfather should have. (Lupin too)
There were so many other options that Harry could have had that was not completely messed up and horrible. Harry is lucky he didn't turn out a complete slug for Voldy to murder casually, because let's be honest most children from abusive homes do not turn out brave and honorable from the get go without massive amounts of therapy.

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He literally raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. It was his plan all along to have this little boy die. That shouldn't be acceptable.
He also knew Harry was in an abusive home. I don't care if its to save the entire world, there is never a good reason to keep a child in an abusive home, let alone knowingly put him in one.
In my opinion, the events that transpired in the first book were a test for Harry. What other reason would Dumbledore have to keep such an important artifact that Voldemort would definitely want, should he hear word of it, at Hogwarts? This isn't a rhetorical question, I don't actually remember if there was a legitimate "reason". It literally showed up at Hogwarts around the exact same time Harry showed up at Hogwarts? Why not keep it at Gringotts? Supposedly, it was safer at Hogwarts, but three 11-year-olds were able to get to something that was meant to keep out the most dangerous wizard of the time. Unless of course, it was a test set up by Dumbledore.

Spoiler - click to show.

Well it was either that or let Voldemort kill Harry and win. Plus, we don't know Dumbledore didn't know- Double negative, crap. Dumbledore could have known how everything would turn out.
But the abusive home also kept him in a charm of protection???
I think you're right on the test. But remember that the tests down there were pretty good. Idek how Voldy/Q got down there.

Spoiler - click to show.

What is your first point referring to?
I don't care. This was magic wizard world, he could have found another way. There is no good reason to put a child in an abusive home. Period. I would bet a lot of money on the fact that Harry wasn't hugged until he was 11. That messes with you psychologically.
Well Quirrel was pretty smart

Spoiler - click to show.

Harry could have been raised by any other magical family related to him and it would have had the same effect. Where are Harry's grand parents on the Potter side? Hmmmm?
Let's not forget that Dumbledore knew Sirius was innocent and let him rot in Azkaban for 12 years, instead of professing/ testifying his innocence and letting him raise Harry as a Godfather should have. (Lupin too)
There were so many other options that Harry could have had that was not completely messed up and horrible. Harry is lucky he didn't turn out a complete slug for Voldy to murder casually, because let's be honest most children from abusive homes do not turn out brave and honorable from the get go without massive amounts of therapy.

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Nah. It had to be on the mothers side.
Did he though? The switch was without Dumbledore's knowledge.
Can't argue with that last bit though.

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He literally raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. It was his plan all along to have this little boy die. That shouldn't be acceptable.
He also knew Harry was in an abusive home. I don't care if its to save the entire world, there is never a good reason to keep a child in an abusive home, let alone knowingly put him in one.
In my opinion, the events that transpired in the first book were a test for Harry. What other reason would Dumbledore have to keep such an important artifact that Voldemort would definitely want, should he hear word of it, at Hogwarts? This isn't a rhetorical question, I don't actually remember if there was a legitimate "reason". It literally showed up at Hogwarts around the exact same time Harry showed up at Hogwarts? Why not keep it at Gringotts? Supposedly, it was safer at Hogwarts, but three 11-year-olds were able to get to something that was meant to keep out the most dangerous wizard of the time. Unless of course, it was a test set up by Dumbledore.

Spoiler - click to show.

Well it was either that or let Voldemort kill Harry and win. Plus, we don't know Dumbledore didn't know- Double negative, crap. Dumbledore could have known how everything would turn out.
But the abusive home also kept him in a charm of protection???
I think you're right on the test. But remember that the tests down there were pretty good. Idek how Voldy/Q got down there.

Spoiler - click to show.

What is your first point referring to?
I don't care. This was magic wizard world, he could have found another way. There is no good reason to put a child in an abusive home. Period. I would bet a lot of money on the fact that Harry wasn't hugged until he was 11. That messes with you psychologically.
Well Quirrel was pretty smart

Spoiler - click to show.

Harry could have been raised by any other magical family related to him and it would have had the same effect. Where are Harry's grand parents on the Potter side? Hmmmm?
Let's not forget that Dumbledore knew Sirius was innocent and let him rot in Azkaban for 12 years, instead of professing/ testifying his innocence and letting him raise Harry as a Godfather should have. (Lupin too)
There were so many other options that Harry could have had that was not completely messed up and horrible. Harry is lucky he didn't turn out a complete slug for Voldy to murder casually, because let's be honest most children from abusive homes do not turn out brave and honorable from the get go without massive amounts of therapy.

Spoiler - click to show.

Nah. It had to be on the mothers side.
Did he though? The switch was without Dumbledore's knowledge.
Can't argue with that last bit though.

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I mean…. not really? Lily gave her life to protect Harry but that doesn't mean it had to be Petunia that accepted him into her home. It could have been anyone else that loved Lily and had the desire to protect/take care of her son.
Dumbledore knew that Pettigrew was the Potter's Secret Keeper, so when they were betrayed he knew that it was Pettigrew and not Sirius. Yet he still let him go to Azkaban. Nothing happened without Dumbledore's knowledge. Im 3000% sure.
seriously harry could have been raised by Mcgonagall and turned out to be the most chosen Chosen One to ever live.

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He literally raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. It was his plan all along to have this little boy die. That shouldn't be acceptable.
He also knew Harry was in an abusive home. I don't care if its to save the entire world, there is never a good reason to keep a child in an abusive home, let alone knowingly put him in one.
In my opinion, the events that transpired in the first book were a test for Harry. What other reason would Dumbledore have to keep such an important artifact that Voldemort would definitely want, should he hear word of it, at Hogwarts? This isn't a rhetorical question, I don't actually remember if there was a legitimate "reason". It literally showed up at Hogwarts around the exact same time Harry showed up at Hogwarts? Why not keep it at Gringotts? Supposedly, it was safer at Hogwarts, but three 11-year-olds were able to get to something that was meant to keep out the most dangerous wizard of the time. Unless of course, it was a test set up by Dumbledore.

Spoiler - click to show.

Well it was either that or let Voldemort kill Harry and win. Plus, we don't know Dumbledore didn't know- Double negative, crap. Dumbledore could have known how everything would turn out.
But the abusive home also kept him in a charm of protection???
I think you're right on the test. But remember that the tests down there were pretty good. Idek how Voldy/Q got down there.

Spoiler - click to show.

What is your first point referring to?
I don't care. This was magic wizard world, he could have found another way. There is no good reason to put a child in an abusive home. Period. I would bet a lot of money on the fact that Harry wasn't hugged until he was 11. That messes with you psychologically.
Well Quirrel was pretty smart

Spoiler - click to show.

Harry could have been raised by any other magical family related to him and it would have had the same effect. Where are Harry's grand parents on the Potter side? Hmmmm?
Let's not forget that Dumbledore knew Sirius was innocent and let him rot in Azkaban for 12 years, instead of professing/ testifying his innocence and letting him raise Harry as a Godfather should have. (Lupin too)
There were so many other options that Harry could have had that was not completely messed up and horrible. Harry is lucky he didn't turn out a complete slug for Voldy to murder casually, because let's be honest most children from abusive homes do not turn out brave and honorable from the get go without massive amounts of therapy.

Spoiler - click to show.

Nah. It had to be on the mothers side.
Did he though? The switch was without Dumbledore's knowledge.
Can't argue with that last bit though.

Spoiler - click to show.

I mean…. not really? Lily gave her life to protect Harry but that doesn't mean it had to be Petunia that accepted him into her home. It could have been anyone else that loved Lily and had the desire to protect/take care of her son.
Dumbledore knew that Pettigrew was the Potter's Secret Keeper, so when they were betrayed he knew that it was Pettigrew and not Sirius. Yet he still let him go to Azkaban. Nothing happened without Dumbledore's knowledge. Im 3000% sure.
seriously harry could have been raised by Mcgonagall and turned out to be the most chosen Chosen One to ever live.

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But wait, didn't the books state that it had to be a living relative of Lily, and Petunia was the only one left?

Best villain and why?

Darth Maul. He has just enough depth and backstory for you to feel bad for him, but he still cancels it out by all the evil he's done, and has a very tragic life and death.

Acheron Hades. He is a pure evil who is genuinely fun to watch even as he murders innocent people.

Darth Vader.
Just because I'm actually impressed by his arch

But also, most Sith have great writing. It's the Heroes in Star Wars that lack imagination.

Exactly. Somehow all the bad guys are way more developed and actually relatable. The Clone wars and Rebels versions of Maul were amazing…
And of course our classic Lego version of Sidious.

may i start a debate?