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Started March 14, 2019 by Deleted user

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That's what I was leading to.
I love the trolley problem, it's fun!

We're one step away from the trolley problem lol.

Oh always.

We're one step away from the trolley problem lol.

Oh always.

I mean, hopefully we're not literally one step away from the trolley problem…

We're one step away from the trolley problem lol.

Oh always.

I mean, hopefully we're not literally one step away from the trolley problem…

DO YOU PULL THE LEVER?

It is not disrespectful if that is what they directly signed up for, Dom.

Technically someone more skilled than I could disagree. But I'm talking about the fetus bodies used to make vaccines. So, of course, there was no consent there.

Mm, not quite. If we both agree that a fetus was indeed a fully-fledged human, then the parents would be the ones able to give consent, since parents are legally bound to do so with their children. So, if the parents consent, then legally the fetus-child also consents.

Ironically, the same happens for parents giving their children the said vaccines.

Oh yes. But according to that, the parents can give consent for the child in anything. Think about what that entails. Sure makes incest cases a lot more difficult.

We're one step away from the trolley problem lol.

Oh always.

I mean, hopefully we're not literally one step away from the trolley problem…

DO YOU PULL THE LEVER?

It is not disrespectful if that is what they directly signed up for, Dom.

Technically someone more skilled than I could disagree. But I'm talking about the fetus bodies used to make vaccines. So, of course, there was no consent there.

Mm, not quite. If we both agree that a fetus was indeed a fully-fledged human, then the parents would be the ones able to give consent, since parents are legally bound to do so with their children. So, if the parents consent, then legally the fetus-child also consents.

Ironically, the same happens for parents giving their children the said vaccines.

Oh yes. But according to that, the parents can give consent for the child in anything. Think about what that entails. Sure makes incest cases a lot more difficult.

No Dominic, you cannot give your child consent to do illegal things.

It is not disrespectful if that is what they directly signed up for, Dom.

Technically someone more skilled than I could disagree. But I'm talking about the fetus bodies used to make vaccines. So, of course, there was no consent there.

Mm, not quite. If we both agree that a fetus was indeed a fully-fledged human, then the parents would be the ones able to give consent, since parents are legally bound to do so with their children. So, if the parents consent, then legally the fetus-child also consents.

Ironically, the same happens for parents giving their children the said vaccines.

Oh yes. But according to that, the parents can give consent for the child in anything. Think about what that entails. Sure makes incest cases a lot more difficult.

No Dominic, you cannot give your child consent to do illegal things.

Also, children cannot consent in a legally binding way.

The idea that you can't be impactful when you're old is woefully offensive and untrue.

Well obviously I don't think that. But a society that cares more about benefiting the people than individuals is unlikely to think on such benefits.

If I can kill a single person to save countless others, I will. If that makes me a commie, then lock me up in Animal Farm.

So you would support The Lottery?

Brilliant.

We're one step away from the trolley problem lol.

Oh no. Not that. Every time this is brought up I get flashbacks to The Good Place and all I can think of is

Ooh I loved episodes like that! Especially the one on Determinism.

If I can kill a single person to save countless others, I will. If that makes me a commie, then lock me up in Animal Farm.

So you would support The Lottery?

The Lottery did not, to my memory, have a world-saving reason to be committed. If I had to kill a person to save the entire town, then yes, I would support the Lottery.

We're one step away from the trolley problem lol.

We're one step away from the trolley problem lol.

Oh no. Not that. Every time this is brought up I get flashbacks to The Good Place and all I can think of is

Same, The Good Place and… shudders Unus Annus- https://youtu.be/ndv6up94tYg

Mm, not quite. If we both agree that a fetus was indeed a fully-fledged human, then the parents would be the ones able to give consent, since parents are legally bound to do so with their children. So, if the parents consent, then legally the fetus-child also consents.

Ironically, the same happens for parents giving their children the said vaccines.

Oh yes. But according to that, the parents can give consent for the child in anything. Think about what that entails. Sure makes incest cases a lot more difficult.

No Dominic, you cannot give your child consent to do illegal things.

But then that means if it became legal, the parent could consent for the child.

Mm, not quite. If we both agree that a fetus was indeed a fully-fledged human, then the parents would be the ones able to give consent, since parents are legally bound to do so with their children. So, if the parents consent, then legally the fetus-child also consents.

Ironically, the same happens for parents giving their children the said vaccines.

Oh yes. But according to that, the parents can give consent for the child in anything. Think about what that entails. Sure makes incest cases a lot more difficult.

No Dominic, you cannot give your child consent to do illegal things.

But then that means if it became legal, the parent could consent for the child.

Dom we are not talking about incest here. It's unrelated.

Ooh I loved episodes like that! Especially the one on Determinism.

BRO that episode slapped
My favorite was the episode(s) containing moral particularism

If I had to kill a person to save the entire town, then yes, I would support the Lottery.

Hmm. Well I think people shouldn't be killed. Unless perhaps they have done some grievous crime.

If I had to kill a person to save the entire town, then yes, I would support the Lottery.

Hmm. Well I think people shouldn't be killed. Unless perhaps they have done some grievous crime.

I agree. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but if we're discussing this dystopian future where one must die to save the rest, I will place the good of all above the good of one.

Mm, not quite. If we both agree that a fetus was indeed a fully-fledged human, then the parents would be the ones able to give consent, since parents are legally bound to do so with their children. So, if the parents consent, then legally the fetus-child also consents.

Ironically, the same happens for parents giving their children the said vaccines.

Oh yes. But according to that, the parents can give consent for the child in anything. Think about what that entails. Sure makes incest cases a lot more difficult.

No Dominic, you cannot give your child consent to do illegal things.

But then that means if it became legal, the parent could consent for the child.

Dom we are not talking about incest here. It's unrelated.

And yet you haven't answered yet. Sometimes a problem cannot be solved unless you go outside it. (Like the rule of Indirect Proof shows us. I love logic!)

If I had to kill a person to save the entire town, then yes, I would support the Lottery.

Hmm. Well I think people shouldn't be killed. Unless perhaps they have done some grievous crime.

I agree. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but if we're discussing this dystopian future where one must die to save the rest, I will place the good of all above the good of one.

Would you die for the cause? Would you kill your father? Your friend?

Mm, not quite. If we both agree that a fetus was indeed a fully-fledged human, then the parents would be the ones able to give consent, since parents are legally bound to do so with their children. So, if the parents consent, then legally the fetus-child also consents.

Ironically, the same happens for parents giving their children the said vaccines.

Oh yes. But according to that, the parents can give consent for the child in anything. Think about what that entails. Sure makes incest cases a lot more difficult.

No Dominic, you cannot give your child consent to do illegal things.

But then that means if it became legal, the parent could consent for the child.

Dom we are not talking about incest here. It's unrelated.

And yet you haven't answered yet. Sometimes a problem cannot be solved unless you go outside it. (Like the rule of Indirect Proof shows us. I love logic!)

I have a Thing to do, give me a bit and then I will if you wish

If I had to kill a person to save the entire town, then yes, I would support the Lottery.

Hmm. Well I think people shouldn't be killed. Unless perhaps they have done some grievous crime.

I agree. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but if we're discussing this dystopian future where one must die to save the rest, I will place the good of all above the good of one.

Would you die for the cause? Would you kill your father? Your friend?

Yes.

If I had to kill a person to save the entire town, then yes, I would support the Lottery.

Hmm. Well I think people shouldn't be killed. Unless perhaps they have done some grievous crime.

I agree. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but if we're discussing this dystopian future where one must die to save the rest, I will place the good of all above the good of one.

Would you die for the cause? Would you kill your father? Your friend?

Yes.

You'd kill me to save someone else. insert Flynn Rider ouch How rude.