Idk if we can debate it here because of it's closeness to abortion.

How the heckity heck did you come to that conclusion

my opinion that i don’t feel up to defending rn but I’m on its side

vaccine good

Seconded, I'm not feeling debatey rn but

vaccine good

Thirded(?) I'm not really in the mood for a debate, but

vaccine good

I'd be surprised if anyone takes the opposing stance.

Dom has entered the chat.

But seriously, you'd be surprised about a lot of Dom's stances if you read back through this chat.

Vaccine good

I'd be surprised if anyone takes the opposing stance.

Cue Dom noises of opposition

(quoted from here)

The only vaccines that are made in human cells are chickenpox (varicella), rubella, and hepatitis A, in addition to one of the available rabies vaccines.

The viruses for these vaccines were grown in cells taken from elective terminations of pregnancies, which took place in the early 1960s. Since then, the cell lines for these vaccines have been maintained in the lab and no further sources of fetal cells are necessary to make these vaccines.

The reasons that fetal cells were originally used included:

• Viruses need cells to grow and tend to grow better in cells from humans than animals (because they infect humans).
• Almost all cells die after they have divided a certain number of times. For most cell lines, the limit of cell divisions is about 50; however, fetal cells can go through many more divisions before dying.

As scientists studied these viruses in the lab, they found that the best cells to use were the fetal cells mentioned above. When it was time to make a vaccine, they continued growing the viruses in the cells that worked best during these earlier studies.

If Dom is playing devil's advocate, then I'd understand. If not, then I'd be surprised. Besides, I don't really know how to support our argument of "vaccine good", other than just "they prevent disease".

If Dom is playing devil's advocate, then I'd understand. If not, then I'd be surprised. Besides, I don't really know how to support our argument of "vaccine good", other than just "they prevent disease".

Prepare yourself

If Dom is playing devil's advocate, then I'd understand. If not, then I'd be surprised. Besides, I don't really know how to support our argument of "vaccine good", other than just "they prevent disease".

Unfortunately, he's not playing devil's advocate.

Idk if we can debate it here because of it's closeness to abortion.

How the heckity heck did you come to that conclusion

one of the main reasons people refuse vaccinations is due to the presence of cells from aborted children in a few select ones.

If Dom is playing devil's advocate, then I'd understand. If not, then I'd be surprised. Besides, I don't really know how to support our argument of "vaccine good", other than just "they prevent disease".

Well then prepared to be surprised

Idk if we can debate it here because of it's closeness to abortion.

How the heckity heck did you come to that conclusion

one of the main reasons people refuse vaccinations is due to the presence of cells from aborted children in a few select ones.

Well I didn't know t h a t

Idk if we can debate it here because of it's closeness to abortion.

How the heckity heck did you come to that conclusion

one of the main reasons people refuse vaccinations is due to the presence of cells from aborted children in a few select ones.

what
huh
well just don't debate that part then and we're all good

If Dom is playing devil's advocate, then I'd understand. If not, then I'd be surprised. Besides, I don't really know how to support our argument of "vaccine good", other than just "they prevent disease".

Well then prepared to be surprised

Ayy we matched
I swear I'm not trying to sound sarcastic

Hmm. I'll spectate this one. Though, I don't think my mind will be changed from vaccine good. But I'll watch if Dom is really gunna take the sure position of vaccine bad.

but it's not whether abortion is good or not that's being debated
in this case we'll just assume it's bad to resonate with the majority of anti-vaxxers
it's whether vaccines are good or not that we're actually arguing here
and i say they're good

Alright. So if the argument is

If taking vaccines is equal to supporting abortion
And Abortion is bad
And Vaccines are not supporting abortion now (according to the thing Nutella gave me)
Then vaccines are alright.

But that is not my argument.
I say
If disrespecting the dead is bad
And vaccines are disrespecting the dead
Then vaccines are bad.

Idk if we can debate it here because of it's closeness to abortion.

How the heckity heck did you come to that conclusion

one of the main reasons people refuse vaccinations is due to the presence of cells from aborted children in a few select ones.

Well I didn't know t h a t

^^
Well then what even is a vaccine because I've been led to believe it's just the dead virus. Not dead babies

Idk if we can debate it here because of it's closeness to abortion.

How the heckity heck did you come to that conclusion

one of the main reasons people refuse vaccinations is due to the presence of cells from aborted children in a few select ones.

Well I didn't know t h a t

^^
Well then what even is a vaccine because I've been led to believe it's just the dead virus. Not dead babies

(read above quote thing)

If it's a dead virus how can people die from vaccines then?

Idk if we can debate it here because of it's closeness to abortion.

How the heckity heck did you come to that conclusion

one of the main reasons people refuse vaccinations is due to the presence of cells from aborted children in a few select ones.

Well I didn't know t h a t

^^
Well then what even is a vaccine because I've been led to believe it's just the dead virus. Not dead babies

(read above quote thing)

Ugh but I'm lazy

but it's not whether abortion is good or not that's being debated
in this case we'll just assume it's bad to resonate with the majority of anti-vaxxers
it's whether vaccines are good or not that we're actually arguing here
and i say they're good

Alright. So if the argument is

If taking vaccines is equal to supporting abortion
And Abortion is bad
And Vaccines are not supporting abortion now (according to the thing Nutella gave me)
Then vaccines are alright.

But that is not my argument.
I say
If disrespecting the dead is bad
And vaccines are disrespecting the dead
Then vaccines are bad.

Vaccines aren't disrespecting the dead??? Tf are you on domino?

But that is not my argument.
I say
If disrespecting the dead is bad
And vaccines are disrespecting the dead
Then vaccines are bad.

So now you just have to prove vaccines are disrespecting the dead

but it's not whether abortion is good or not that's being debated
in this case we'll just assume it's bad to resonate with the majority of anti-vaxxers
it's whether vaccines are good or not that we're actually arguing here
and i say they're good

Alright. So if the argument is

If taking vaccines is equal to supporting abortion
And Abortion is bad
And Vaccines are not supporting abortion now (according to the thing Nutella gave me)
Then vaccines are alright.

But that is not my argument.
I say
If disrespecting the dead is bad
And vaccines are disrespecting the dead
Then vaccines are bad.

Vaccines aren't disrespecting the dead??? Tf are you on domino?

I suppose I should've clarified. Because I count using humans cells gotten from fetuses as disrespect. That old, don't steal body parts without permission rule. Understandable that you wouldn't know about it because you Don't Do Bad Science.

I suppose I should've clarified. Because I count using humans cells gotten from fetuses as disrespect. That old, don't steal body parts without permission rule. Understandable that you wouldn't know about it because you Don't Do Bad Science.

But if you use the body parts for good, and the fetuses don't need them anymore, does it count as disrespect if they're being put to good use and saving lives? (Again, not challenging, just spectating and pushing things along)

but it's not whether abortion is good or not that's being debated
in this case we'll just assume it's bad to resonate with the majority of anti-vaxxers
it's whether vaccines are good or not that we're actually arguing here
and i say they're good

Alright. So if the argument is

If taking vaccines is equal to supporting abortion
And Abortion is bad
And Vaccines are not supporting abortion now (according to the thing Nutella gave me)
Then vaccines are alright.

But that is not my argument.
I say
If disrespecting the dead is bad
And vaccines are disrespecting the dead
Then vaccines are bad.

Vaccines aren't disrespecting the dead??? Tf are you on domino?

I suppose I should've clarified. Because I count using humans cells gotten from fetuses as disrespect. That old, don't steal body parts without permission rule. Understandable that you wouldn't know about it because you Don't Do Bad Science.

They're already dead and you're using it to help people. Cells aren't really parts are they? As far as I know, don't steal body parts without permission is kind of for fully grown adults and/or children who have body parts.

I'd rather have my body used to create vaccines to save innocents than just be left to rot in the ground.