I'd rather have my body used to create vaccines to save innocents than just be left to rot in the ground.
Well that's an interesting thing to say since you're Catholic. But beyond that, that would be you choosing to do so.
I suppose I should've clarified. Because I count using humans cells gotten from fetuses as disrespect. That old, don't steal body parts without permission rule. Understandable that you wouldn't know about it because you Don't Do Bad Science.
But if you use the body parts for good, and the fetuses don't need them anymore, does it count as disrespect if they're being put to good use and saving lives? (Again, not challenging, just spectating and pushing things along)
It is disrespectful as it is using a body without permission.
I'd rather have my body used to create vaccines to save innocents than just be left to rot in the ground.
Well that's an interesting thing to say since you're Catholic. But beyond that, that would be you choosing to do so.
What would the bodies do otherwise, rot? If they're being used to save lives, it doesn't really matter.
I suppose I should've clarified. Because I count using humans cells gotten from fetuses as disrespect. That old, don't steal body parts without permission rule. Understandable that you wouldn't know about it because you Don't Do Bad Science.
They're already dead and you're using it to help people. Cells aren't really parts are they? As far as I know, don't steal body parts without permission is kind of for fully grown adults and/or children who have body parts.
Well it might be worth noting that these are not ordinary cells. They are stem cells. The building blocks of the body. They hold the wave of genetic information before it all. They are the brain that build the brain. For this they are coveted by the medical industry. I mean, morals aside I quite get where they're coming from.
But I still think that a very underdeveloped human deserves the Rights that all humanity deserves.
And by valuing stem cells the same as full human lives, you're damning more people to death.
I suppose I should've clarified. Because I count using humans cells gotten from fetuses as disrespect. That old, don't steal body parts without permission rule. Understandable that you wouldn't know about it because you Don't Do Bad Science.
They're already dead and you're using it to help people. Cells aren't really parts are they? As far as I know, don't steal body parts without permission is kind of for fully grown adults and/or children who have body parts.
Well it might be worth noting that these are not ordinary cells. They are stem cells. The building blocks of the body. They hold the wave of genetic information before it all. They are the brain that build the brain. For this they are coveted by the medical industry. I mean, morals aside I quite get where they're coming from.
But I still think that a very underdeveloped human deserves the Rights that all humanity deserves.
Are they aborting children for this sole purpose?
I'd rather have my body used to create vaccines to save innocents than just be left to rot in the ground.
Well that's an interesting thing to say since you're Catholic. But beyond that, that would be you choosing to do so.
What would the bodies do otherwise, rot? If they're being used to save lives, it doesn't really matter.
That is your opinion. And you have to justify it to make it anything more. I firmly believe you have no right to mess with another person's body. If they want to give their body to science, that is none of my affair.
And by valuing stem cells the same as full human lives, you're damning more people to death.
Well I would hardly say, damning. But yes. –Talk to me more about human lives in PM if you are willing– I am not a Utilitarian. I do not think you can kill an innocent to save a thousand. I would choose to let others die than to harm an innocent, if I were ever in such a position. I am sure that seems extremely cruel. But once the rights of the One are infringed, the rights of all disappear under the blaring mantra of For the Greater Good.
That's very Enlightened Centrist of you, but the masses are worth infinitely more to the individual.
Are they aborting children for this sole purpose?
No. Abortions happen for the reasons we already know. Some scientists want to use it to do good.
Are they aborting children for this sole purpose?
No. Abortions happen for the reasons we already know. Some scientists want to use it to do good.
So let them. Stopping vaccines will not stop abortions.
no abortion talk, you heathens.
no abortion talk, you heathens.
it’s not abortion talk
it’s vaccine talk
Are they aborting children for this sole purpose?
No. Abortions happen for the reasons we already know. Some scientists want to use it to do good.
So let them. Stopping vaccines will not stop abortions.
Oh that most definitely not my intention.
That's very Enlightened Centrist of you, but the masses are worth infinitely more to the individual.
Do you mean Than?
I'm surprised no one has brought up donors. You know, the people who fill out official consent forms that put a (pink?) dot on your ID, signifying that should you die, your organs are allowed to be donated to those who may need them. They are explicitly giving their permission for their former body parts to be utilized to help someone else. Similar forms exist for donating your body to science. I imagine those forms also contain a clause regarding the use of their cells in regard to research, in this case, vaccines. This isn't the 1900s anymore. No one will become the next Henrietta Lacks without their former own knowledge and explicit and legally official permission. (Not to mention that if that scheme is attempted again during this day and age, someone is definitely going to be facing a large lawsuit. No one would risk it if they're smart.)
It is not disrespectful if that is what they directly signed up for, Dom.
That's very Enlightened Centrist of you, but the masses are worth infinitely more to the individual.
Do you mean Than?
Yeah, I had 3 tabs open to translate "that's what she said" to Russian.
It is not disrespectful if that is what they directly signed up for, Dom.
Technically someone more skilled than I could disagree. But I'm talking about the fetus bodies used to make vaccines. So, of course, there was no consent there.
It is not disrespectful if that is what they directly signed up for, Dom.
Technically someone more skilled than I could disagree. But I'm talking about the fetus bodies used to make vaccines. So, of course, there was no consent there.
Children can't give consent to a lot of things, but their parents can for them and we still let them do it
It is not disrespectful if that is what they directly signed up for, Dom.
Technically someone more skilled than I could disagree. But I'm talking about the fetus bodies used to make vaccines. So, of course, there was no consent there.
Mm, not quite. If we both agree that a fetus was indeed a fully-fledged human, then the parents would be the ones able to give consent, since parents are legally bound to do so with their children. So, if the parents consent, then legally the fetus-child also consents.
Ironically, the same happens for parents giving their children the said vaccines.
That's very Enlightened Centrist of you, but the masses are worth infinitely more to the individual.
Do you mean Than?
Yeah, I had 3 tabs open to translate "that's what she said" to Russian.
Ah. I see. Perfectly reasonable excuse. (Though why three? Oughtn't two to suffice?)
Really? The masses are more important than the individual? That sounds like Damned Commie Nonsense.
In that case, you are saying you believe in a system that the individual can be infringed upon, even put to death without a crime, if it really benefits the majority. It means that if it can be balanced, a man may die for the convince of two. In such a system, it is okay to kill the weakest parties to benefit a great deal of people. Many weaker people do not do as much to benefit society, you see. There's always old grandpa, who has fulfilled his purpose and is now a burden on the finances. Not to mention others that didn't put in their time.
That's very Enlightened Centrist of you, but the masses are worth infinitely more to the individual.
Do you mean Than?
Yeah, I had 3 tabs open to translate "that's what she said" to Russian.
Ah. I see. Perfectly reasonable excuse. (Though why three? Oughtn't two to suffice?)
Really? The masses are more important than the individual? That sounds like Damned Commie Nonsense.
In that case, you are saying you believe in a system that the individual can be infringed upon, even put to death without a crime, if it really benefits the majority. It means that if it can be balanced, a man may die for the convince of two. In such a system, it is okay to kill the weakest parties to benefit a great deal of people. Many weaker people do not do as much to benefit society, you see. There's always old grandpa, who has fulfilled his purpose and is now a burden on the finances. Not to mention others that didn't put in their time.
The idea that you can't be impactful when you're old is woefully offensive and untrue.
That's very Enlightened Centrist of you, but the masses are worth infinitely more to the individual.
Do you mean Than?
Yeah, I had 3 tabs open to translate "that's what she said" to Russian.
Ah. I see. Perfectly reasonable excuse. (Though why three? Oughtn't two to suffice?)
Really? The masses are more important than the individual? That sounds like Damned Commie Nonsense.
In that case, you are saying you believe in a system that the individual can be infringed upon, even put to death without a crime, if it really benefits the majority. It means that if it can be balanced, a man may die for the convince of two. In such a system, it is okay to kill the weakest parties to benefit a great deal of people. Many weaker people do not do as much to benefit society, you see. There's always old grandpa, who has fulfilled his purpose and is now a burden on the finances. Not to mention others that didn't put in their time.
If I can kill a single person to save countless others, I will. If that makes me a commie, then lock me up in Animal Farm.
We're one step away from the trolley problem lol.