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Started March 14, 2019 by Deleted user

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feed the rich to the poor

polar bears are dying

feed donald trump to the polar bears

feed the sea to lizards

I don't know where I stand between socialism and capitalism. I think that capitalism is a flawed system, and I think that people who are obscenely rich should be taxed (i.e. the people who have no way of ethically making their money, or who have excessive amounts, like billionaires.)

I have been watching a lot of Breadtube lately, so there's that.

Also the minimum wage should be raised.

I'll go off of that last bit for now. Why?

Because it's unethical to pay workers $7.25 an hour when they have to realistically support themselves and their family. Sure, it's fine for some teenagers looking for a summer job, but it's too low to make a decent living off.

Make it so minimum wage jobs have the skills to transfer over to career based positions.

^ That too

Make it so minimum wage jobs have the skills to transfer over to career based positions.

What has that to do with the pay?

Because it's unethical to pay workers $7.25 an hour when they have to realistically support themselves and their family. Sure, it's fine for some teenagers looking for a summer job, but it's too low to make a decent living off.

Why do we pay people more than minimum wage? (Slightly rhetorical but I expect an answer.)

Adults?
The problem with this, however, is that some students have jobs to help support their families.

Because it's unethical to pay workers $7.25 an hour when they have to realistically support themselves and their family. Sure, it's fine for some teenagers looking for a summer job, but it's too low to make a decent living off.

Why do we pay people more than minimum wage? (Slightly rhetorical but I expect an answer.)

Because some jobs require higher training, but I feel like people undervalue people who do jobs in, say, retail or the food industry, because they still take a lot of work.

Because it's unethical to pay workers $7.25 an hour when they have to realistically support themselves and their family. Sure, it's fine for some teenagers looking for a summer job, but it's too low to make a decent living off.

Why do we pay people more than minimum wage? (Slightly rhetorical but I expect an answer.)

Because some jobs require higher training, but I feel like people undervalue people who do jobs in, say, retail or the food industry, because they still take a lot of work.

In other words, there's a scarcity. So the price goes up.
Do they take a lot of work? I mean, it's exhausting, but almost anyone can do it. It doesn't require brains or brawn or a high level education. So why should they get paid a lot? The boss isn't paying for their time, it's for the work s/he gets out of it. And because anyone (approximately, of course) can do it, it is lower value; and thus is paid less.

**All jobs require training

Make it so minimum wage jobs have the skills to transfer over to career based positions.

What has that to do with the pay?

Everything. People need the skill set to obtain higher pay and better jobs.

**All jobs require training

True. But some take only a little bit that the lower manager can teach as the job gets done.

Make it so minimum wage jobs have the skills to transfer over to career based positions.

What has that to do with the pay?

Everything. People need the skill set to obtain higher pay and better jobs.

But the jobs are not meant to help the worker. They are to help the boss. We could argue about this, but the job culture of America is self serving, as is much of the fallen human nature.

Because it's unethical to pay workers $7.25 an hour when they have to realistically support themselves and their family. Sure, it's fine for some teenagers looking for a summer job, but it's too low to make a decent living off.

Why do we pay people more than minimum wage? (Slightly rhetorical but I expect an answer.)

Because some jobs require higher training, but I feel like people undervalue people who do jobs in, say, retail or the food industry, because they still take a lot of work.

In other words, there's a scarcity. So the price goes up.
Do they take a lot of work? I mean, it's exhausting, but almost anyone can do it. It doesn't require brains or brawn or a high level education. So why should they get paid a lot? The boss isn't paying for their time, it's for the work s/he gets out of it. And because anyone (approximately, of course) can do it, it is lower value; and thus is paid less.

Actually. You'd be surprised how much brains & brawn it takes to work a minimum wage job.
Most people with minimum wage jobs are students (trying to pay their way through a ridiculous tuition), immigrants (trying to pay just to live in this country), people with mental health issues (trying to pay for their livelihood, or have some independence), or people who have always had nothing in their lives (trying to make this better)

its people like that who deserve to be paid at least a proper amount to put food on their table and support a roof over their heads.

Make it so minimum wage jobs have the skills to transfer over to career based positions.

What has that to do with the pay?

Everything. People need the skill set to obtain higher pay and better jobs.

But the jobs are not meant to help the worker. They are to help the boss. We could argue about this, but the job culture of America is self serving, as is much of the fallen human nature.

Customers, really. Because they pay. The boss gets paid, they don't pay the company

Actually. You'd be surprised how much brains & brawn it takes to work a minimum wage job.
Most people with minimum wage jobs are students (trying to pay their way through a ridiculous tuition), immigrants (trying to pay just to live in this country), people with mental health issues (trying to pay for their livelihood, or have some independence), or people who have always had nothing in their lives (trying to make this better)

its people like that who deserve to be paid at least a proper amount to put food on their table and support a roof over their heads.

Name some examples.
And I'm sure you're right about who get's those jobs. But like I said, the jobs aren't there for the workers.
Why do they deserve this?

Actually. You'd be surprised how much brains & brawn it takes to work a minimum wage job.
Most people with minimum wage jobs are students (trying to pay their way through a ridiculous tuition), immigrants (trying to pay just to live in this country), people with mental health issues (trying to pay for their livelihood, or have some independence), or people who have always had nothing in their lives (trying to make this better)

its people like that who deserve to be paid at least a proper amount to put food on their table and support a roof over their heads.

Name some examples.
And I'm sure you're right about who get's those jobs. But like I said, the jobs aren't there for the workers.
Why do they deserve this?

• Basic, basic business knowledge
• Ability to work with others
• Further, ability to work with difficult people
• Ability to follow directions
• Ability to handle stress
• Ability to do difficult and unpleasant tasks
• Ability to focus

Actually. You'd be surprised how much brains & brawn it takes to work a minimum wage job.
Most people with minimum wage jobs are students (trying to pay their way through a ridiculous tuition), immigrants (trying to pay just to live in this country), people with mental health issues (trying to pay for their livelihood, or have some independence), or people who have always had nothing in their lives (trying to make this better)

its people like that who deserve to be paid at least a proper amount to put food on their table and support a roof over their heads.

Name some examples.
And I'm sure you're right about who get's those jobs. But like I said, the jobs aren't there for the workers.
Why do they deserve this?

So fricken commanding, dude. Jeepers.

mmkay–example of brains working at starbucks:

A barista needs to be able to do really quick math to properly queue drinks in a way that they can get them out to the customers quickly and efficiently. They also need to be able to think on their feet for all kinds of situations that customers, the bar, the machines, etc throw at you only a second by second basis. To be a barista your brain needs to be going a mile a minute. Not to mention the herculean task of ordering all the stock for the store and maintaining the inventory, creating schedules, promoting events, learning new recipes.
Brawns: The endurance and patience one needs is incredible. A barista is literally on their feet for their entire shift, running around, bending, lifting, cleaning, stretching, etc. and shifts on average are 6 to 8 hours long. Lets not forget all the bullshit they have to deal with from the customers.

Im sure that this applies to most retail/food places.
It takes a lot out of a person to work a minimum wage job.

The jobs are there for the workers Dom. If there were no workers there would be no production. Why do you think they're always hiring?

They deserve it because they're there. Putting up with all the shit that they have to, to make one lousy asshole happy.