Education is a human right, I would be happy for a portion of my taxes to go towards a child's/teen's/young adult's education over something as trivial like a border wall, or padding government official's pockets. Education should be readily accessible to everyone and for free. Seeking knowledge is part of the path of the pursuit of happiness so why should anyone have to pay for it?
Preach, Eris. Preach.
But life is also a human right. (Though I’m still not sure education is.) Life isn’t free. You have to constantly work to stay alive, even in a place like the USA. So I don’t think your argument works for something far more important. What is your response to that?
How can you say that education is not a human right? Can you look at someone in the face and tell them that they are undeserving of education because they are poor? Which is something that they are trying to remedy by getting said education.
You have to constantly work to stay alive, even in a place like the USA.
Don't you think that having a free education would make life a little easier? Less stress to think about for the future because you don't have to give up hard earned money over to student loans that will follow you for the rest of your life until you pay them off or die. That's thousands of dollars that you could be using to save up for a house, or raising your children, or going on that month long trip to Europe that everyone dreams about, or it could go towards saving your life or the life of a family member. There are thousands of uses for the money that are 100% better than going back to the university/government that doesnt need it at all.
You misunderstand me compadré. I think all are worthy of education of course. You confused me thinking that it was not a human right with me thinking Some are worthy and Some are not. I believe education is wonderful. But if you are not educated I do not believe you have had a grave harm done to you.
Oh of course. But if it was free for the students that would mean others would have to pay for it. Probably through taxes. Meaning money would be forced out of those who did not want to give. Essentially stealing.
*However I did hear of a solution that I am seriously considering as a good idea. It is that those who wished to go to college for free could. In a way. After they had work they would pay into a college tax of sorts, thereby supporting others in the same past situation.
I'm calling bullshit on the taxes bit there, sorry. So, I'm fourteen, yeah, but let me tell you something.
I spent over seven years in the same apartment building. Right outside, there were these little potholes(and this really fuckin huge one that tripped me multiple times.), and they were there the entire time I lived there. Why weren't those taxes y'all adults are paying fixing the potholes that caused me multiple skinned knees? Or the one that broke my friend's ankle while she was crossing the street? If the taxes aren't paying for filling in potholes, paving roads, fixing schools and bridges, funding things that are legitimate causes to worry, why not go to free education?
Disclaimer: I am not a normally salty person, I'm just in an angry mood today and I blame it entirely on the demon spider I saw in the bathroom
Fun fact: telling everyone you're a nice/smart/good/talented/funny/attractive person doesn't instantly make you a nice/smart/good/talented/funny/attractive person.
I'm usually not the saltiest of humans, but that type of stuff ticks me off…
(example)
Oh look, you have a high IQ and use fancy words to talk to people. Hate to break it to you, but I don't care. If you want me to believe you're smart, prove it to me, use that knowledge along with the proper "you're" for crying out loud. I bet you can relate to this article so much, can't you? With your level of brilliant intelligence, of course it's hard to find yourself a girlfriend. You just keep analyzing everyone's feelings and actions to such a deep level that no one likes you, you poor, poor soul. If only you hadn't been cursed with such extravagant levels of intelligence so you could make friends and live a normal, happy life without having to dumb yourself down when you speak… Such a tragedy.
(Note: despite what my harshness might hint, I am not targeting this towards anyone on this site or in real life. I have seen some people who claim to be "geniuses of the highest level" or "the nicest person you'll ever meet", and it does annoy me sometimes, but most of them are, indeed, good people who I have nothing against. Glad we got that out of the way.)
You know what's even worse though? When someone actually is beautiful or smart and absolutely refuses to believe it, instead just talking down about it constantly.
I'll admit, considering my age and lack of practice, I'm a pretty decent artist. I wouldn't say I'm incredible, I have a boatload of flaws just like most people, but I'm not going to go around telling literally everyone that I "can't draw and am completely talentless, I'll never make it in the art world I'm so terrible at such an easy, basic thing! I mean, look at this drawing, doesn't it make you want to gouge out your eyes with how bad it is? I'm such a failure I might as well burn everything I've created and instead get a real job". No, those days are far behind me.
I see this so often in the art community… Like girl, the reason people aren't commissioning you is not that your art is bad or you're unlikable but because you wrote "Commissions are open, but I don't know why you'd spend your cash on my garbage anyway, especially when actual decent artists are out there selling their work for much better prices. You should probably go support them instead of wasting your precious money on this pile of $#!^…" in your bio for every single interested customer to see. Also, by putting yourself down like that, you're also putting down and discouraging all the people who look up to you. Don't do that, okay?
Try doing this magical thing called "taking a compliment" or "keeping these feelings to yourself so you don't discourage those around you", it really helps sometimes.
(Note: Unlike the last one, I do have some very specific people in mind that I may-or-may-not be targeting this at. They're mostly PaigeeWorld users, but there are a few here on Notebook as well.)
And yes, I'm aware that I'm being a huge パンケーキing hypocrite with most of this stuff, and I'm also aware that my username calls me "ultimately superior" when I'm not actually that impressive. Let me complain, okay? Thank you.
…You guys can continue your debate now, sorry for interrupting.
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Sorry, that was kinda random and unnecessary…
Well it’s the Rudeness Chat so it was Legit I think. Just a little random I guess.
You misunderstand me compadré. I think all are worthy of education of course. You confused me thinking that it was not a human right with me thinking Some are worthy and Some are not. I believe education is wonderful. But if you are not educated I do not believe you have had a grave harm done to you.
Oh of course. But if it was free for the students that would mean others would have to pay for it. Probably through taxes. Meaning money would be forced out of those who did not want to give. Essentially stealing.
*However I did hear of a solution that I am seriously considering as a good idea. It is that those who wished to go to college for free could. In a way. After they had work they would pay into a college tax of sorts, thereby supporting others in the same past situation.
But honestly how could you think that? How can you think that it is not harmful that people are being denied the right to education? Isn't it a disservice that there are people in this world that never received an education to make their lives better?
That argument suggests that all taxes are 'stealing'. Many people would be happy that their taxes actually went to something like free education. That would mean that students from all kinds of economic backgrounds could have a chance to make themselves and their lives better. It could even improve that gap between classes therefore creating a better economy for the country.
That's not free and is exactly like student loans. You get the money to go to college but have to pay it back once you stop going and/or graduate. Just take money out of the equation entirely. Teachers could be paid just like government officials (as they should be for all the risk and dangers that most are in these days. A properly run government should regulate education as they do in other countries where it's working fine!)
I got distracted at work. Hence the broken response.
no one should have to be in debt for 30+ years just for going to college. it’s insanity.
Sounds legit. But what would you suggest as a solution?
You misunderstand me compadré. I think all are worthy of education of course. You confused me thinking that it was not a human right with me thinking Some are worthy and Some are not. I believe education is wonderful. But if you are not educated I do not believe you have had a grave harm done to you.
Oh of course. But if it was free for the students that would mean others would have to pay for it. Probably through taxes. Meaning money would be forced out of those who did not want to give. Essentially stealing.
*However I did hear of a solution that I am seriously considering as a good idea. It is that those who wished to go to college for free could. In a way. After they had work they would pay into a college tax of sorts, thereby supporting others in the same past situation.
But honestly how could you think that? How can you think that it is not harmful that people are being denied the right to education? Isn't it a disservice that there are people in this world that never received an education to make their lives better?
That argument suggests that all taxes are 'stealing'. Many people would be happy that their taxes actually went to something like free education. That would mean that students from all kinds of economic backgrounds could have a chance to make themselves and their lives better. It could even improve that gap between classes therefore creating a better economy for the country.
That's not free and is exactly like student loans. You get the money to go to college but have to pay it back once you stop going and/or graduate. Just take money out of the equation entirely. Teachers could be paid just like government officials (as they should be for all the risk and dangers that most are in these days. A properly run government should regulate education as they do in other countries where it's working fine!)
Ah ah ah. You are equating not being able to gain with someone barring said gain. By that logic if someone goes hungry someone else is keeping them from food.
They are stealing unless they directly correlate to the task of governing.
Some yes. What about the others?
Alright, you are correct it seems. Except what does teaching students have to do with governing? And if the governing is controlling what is in schools they could easily feed students propaganda to further positions held dear by the gov. Hitler agreed with this method and I commend him for it as it seems to be an effective strategy. Even today these things are already taking place. (Safe spaces that criminalize free discussion as we are having right now.) Government being in charge of our centers of learning is a bad idea. The saying that power corrupts has held true throughout time. The hand of the kings should not meddle in the minds of the youths.
(I have not much to offer that would be relevant to this, but I'd like to see both sides of this debate to use for future debates so imma bump)
Hi, European here!
I'd like to politely clarify a few things:
(1) Europe is not a single monolithic entity. There are lots of different governments in Europe that approach things differently, and so there are actually lots of different approaches to higher level education.
(2) Education and healthcare are, in fact, human rights as set forth by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. You'll notice that, while higher education does not specifically need to be "free" (Article 26), it does need to be "equally accessible to all on the basis of merit". The 1968 United Nations International Conference on Human Rights advised that the Declaration "constitutes an obligation for the members of the international community" to all persons.
(3) Taxes. Are. Not. Stealing. The basis of government is the social contract, the idea that citizens are in an agreement with their government - the government provides security and prosperity for its citizens and in return, citizens obey the laws that the government creates and pay taxes to ensure the government's ability to do its job. Arguably, the citizens can and should critically examine what their taxes are being used for, but if we're going to argue along the vein of "I don't want to pay for other people's education!" then it would be equally valid for other Americans to say that "I don't want to pay for such a giant defense budget" (in 2016 the American government spent 604 billion dollars on national defense, about 15% of the budget. Compare that to the 114 billion dollars being used on education aid or related services - that's less than 3% of the budget).
When it comes down to it, investing in education seems like it would lead to greater economic growth and welfare for everyone than investing in wars, don't you think?
Hi, European here!
I'd like to politely clarify a few things:
(1) Europe is not a single monolithic entity. There are lots of different governments in Europe that approach things differently, and so there are actually lots of different approaches to higher level education.
(2) Education and healthcare are, in fact, human rights as set forth by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. You'll notice that, while higher education does not specifically need to be "free" (Article 26), it does need to be "equally accessible to all on the basis of merit". The 1968 United Nations International Conference on Human Rights advised that the Declaration "constitutes an obligation for the members of the international community" to all persons.
(3) Taxes. Are. Not. Stealing. The basis of government is the social contract, the idea that citizens are in an agreement with their government - the government provides security and prosperity for its citizens and in return, citizens obey the laws that the government creates and pay taxes to ensure the government's ability to do its job. Arguably, the citizens can and should critically examine what their taxes are being used for, but if we're going to argue along the vein of "I don't want to pay for other people's education!" then it would be equally valid for other Americans to say that "I don't want to pay for such a giant defense budget" (in 2016 the American government spent 604 billion dollars on national defense, about 15% of the budget. Compare that to the 114 billion dollars being used on education aid or related services - that's less than 3% of the budget).
When it comes down to it, investing in education seems like it would lead to greater economic growth and welfare for everyone than investing in wars, don't you think?
THANK YOU
Hi, European here!
I'd like to politely clarify a few things:
(1) Europe is not a single monolithic entity. There are lots of different governments in Europe that approach things differently, and so there are actually lots of different approaches to higher level education.
(2) Education and healthcare are, in fact, human rights as set forth by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. You'll notice that, while higher education does not specifically need to be "free" (Article 26), it does need to be "equally accessible to all on the basis of merit". The 1968 United Nations International Conference on Human Rights advised that the Declaration "constitutes an obligation for the members of the international community" to all persons.
(3) Taxes. Are. Not. Stealing. The basis of government is the social contract, the idea that citizens are in an agreement with their government - the government provides security and prosperity for its citizens and in return, citizens obey the laws that the government creates and pay taxes to ensure the government's ability to do its job. Arguably, the citizens can and should critically examine what their taxes are being used for, but if we're going to argue along the vein of "I don't want to pay for other people's education!" then it would be equally valid for other Americans to say that "I don't want to pay for such a giant defense budget" (in 2016 the American government spent 604 billion dollars on national defense, about 15% of the budget. Compare that to the 114 billion dollars being used on education aid or related services - that's less than 3% of the budget).
When it comes down to it, investing in education seems like it would lead to greater economic growth and welfare for everyone than investing in wars, don't you think?
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Thank you for pointing that out as to prevent any confusion or misunderstanding.
I read all the beginning and though it was interesting and I am sure I would agree with most of it. However. NOWHERE WAS IT LISTED WHERE THESE RIGHTS COME FROM. It was said these rights were inherent and unalienable, but did not give any reason to believe it. There was no appeal from greater authority, so the only authority I could assume they claimed was their own. Not at all satisfactory.
Taxes are not inherently stealing. But they are for the government to use for governing, relations with other countries and national defense . Anything not related to that is, in my opinion, theft.
So, is asking citizens to pay taxes, so the government can repair the roads they drive on, theft? they get their money back, in a way.
Ah yes, I forgot that using tax paying money to get rid of the mold coming from the hole in the ceiling of the hallway at my old junior high was theft, my bad. 'Cause you know, it probably wouldn't have caused any problems or anything.
Okay, I may not know much about the subject at hand, but considering the large amount of taxes my parents and older siblings pay each year, you'd think the government would finally fix the monstrosity we call roads here in Missouri. There are potholes everywhere, some of which have been here for years, and I, personally, don't think that's fair. Maybe the money is going somewhere else, but it's still ridiculous in my opinion.