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Started March 14, 2019 by Deleted user

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There are some really good ones in there!
May I ask why you hated City of Embers?

It was boring and predictable.

Misty of Chincoteague is my life.
Because I am a horse weirdo.

I read it in 4th grade and wanted to bash my brains out with it.
The clam bake part was good though

I cringed at 90% of those

Oh trust me I did too. Especially the ones I read in my first AP course and the teacher's prompts literally were: "Write down your feelings. Logic doesn't matter. Just eMoTiOnS~"

Blech

My class had to take notes on Frankenstein and for all of Victor's interactions with Henry I just typed 'GAY'

Oml xD

My class had this constant thing going where if the narrator went into way close of detail about another dude character's body, he was gay for that dude character

Hmmmm so everything out of the 18th & 19th centuries? XD

I cringed at 90% of those

Oh trust me I did too. Especially the ones I read in my first AP course and the teacher's prompts literally were: "Write down your feelings. Logic doesn't matter. Just eMoTiOnS~"

Blech

My class had to take notes on Frankenstein and for all of Victor's interactions with Henry I just typed 'GAY'

Oml xD

My class had this constant thing going where if the narrator went into way close of detail about another dude character's body, he was gay for that dude character

"Goodnight sweet prince, and let legions of angels carry you to rest"

(Maybe focus on the debate at hand? Like everyone else?)

(Except the reason I was asking was because I kinda already did the research and wrote a response… Maybe I’ll save it for times when there aren’t other debates going on?)

(If you're going to bring up abortion or religion again, I rather you didn't.
Firstly, because we've talked those subjects to death and myself/ others are tired of regurgitating the same information for the same arguments you present.
Secondly, there is no plausible ending/outcome for said arguments because no one is willing to change their views, no matter how blockheaded they are.
But I digress, I can't stop you from posting your response.)

(It actually wasn't about either of those topics…)

So you're going to say that White Males suffer the same amount of oppression and racism as Hispanics or African Americans?

REALLY

What, no???

We never said the same amount. It just exists, and it shouldn't be completely belittled by the old 'others have bigger problems' argument. By that argument, none of us should complain, because we at least have enough money for electronics.

What, no???

then what

I have never, ever in my life seen racism towards a white guy and I love in Southern California (aka: white guy central) and grew up blocks away from Skid Row in LA, where one would assume people hate on white people.

But daily I see racism towards Hispanics. Some lady told me to 'go back to mexico' the other day because I was speaking in Spanish to a Barista at Starbucks that I have known since high school. My neighbor is a hilarious giant black man, who loves to cook and tells me jokes when we see each other at the mail box, but he got locked out of our building by another neighbor who thought he was trying to rob us.

In what way does that happen to a white guy?

We read A Handmaid's Tale for 10th grade english last year

I cringed at 90% of those

Oh trust me I did too. Especially the ones I read in my first AP course and the teacher's prompts literally were: "Write down your feelings. Logic doesn't matter. Just eMoTiOnS~"

Blech

My class had to take notes on Frankenstein and for all of Victor's interactions with Henry I just typed 'GAY'

Lol.

Also homeschoolers read books for school. Also To Kill a Mockingbird was great according to my thirteen year old self.

I have never, ever in my life seen racism towards a white guy and I love in Southern California (aka: white guy central) and grew up blocks away from Skid Row in LA, where one would assume people hate on white people.

But daily I see racism towards Hispanics. Some lady told me to 'go back to mexico' the other day because I was speaking in Spanish to a Barista at Starbucks that I have known since high school. My neighbor is a hilarious giant black man, who loves to cook and tells me jokes when we see each other at the mail box, but he got locked out of our building by another neighbor who thought he was trying to rob us.

In what way does that happen to a white guy?

What about Swimmy's example of people being beat up for being white? I'd say that counts.

So you're going to say that White Males suffer the same amount of oppression and racism as Hispanics or African Americans?

REALLY

You really have to stop bringing this up as literally no one is arguing this. It's just that it exists. Also it is growing as time goes by. Also wouldn't big things start small? No it's not as bad as probably every other group ever. But just because it's a minority does not mean it should be instantly dismissed.

(You said there isn’t a single instance in which men have things worse than women, and while sure, there aren’t as many, there are quite a few, which is what I was arguing.)

Name one thing that men have/experience that isn't better than what women have/experience.

Alright.

1: Despite the fact that women are more likely to end up with depression, male suicide rates are far higher than female, and no one ever talks about it.

There are many possible reasons behind this, but one of the most relevant ones would be the societal pressure for men to be emotionally and physically strong. Due to this, they often bottle up their emotions, avoid taking antidepressants, and refuse to see a therapist or get help of any sort, so when they can't take it anymore, the only solution in their mind is to end it all…

2: They're expected to work harder and longer on more stressful/dangerous careers.

In fact, men make up 93-95% of workplace injuries and deaths.

…I rarely get to see my own father, he works his rear end off, stresses himself to tears, and loses countless hours of sleep over a job he hates so my family/I can have three meals a day, but oh nO my mom is truly suffering more because she has to cook meals for him when he gets home.
He wishes he could quit and actually spend time with his own children, but that's not an option.

Women are expected to feed/care for their children, while men are expected to completely burn themselves out daily, give all their earnings to their wives, and are then called lazy for resting once they get back.

Even my own mother is guilty of pushing this in a way, she focuses on my brothers and their success far more than mine/my sisters', putting them through significantly more stress while I'm over here slacking off. It absolutely sucks for both of us, but since I'm still technically learning what I truly need to know without all the extra stress, I feel way worse for my brothers…
My mom is extremely supportive of my artist career because she doesn't think I'll actually need the money from it, I'll instead have a "husband with a high-paying job to provide for me and my future children".
_{gags at the mere thought}
Meanwhile, my mom is also trying to push my brothers into better careers. Usually in very subtle ways, but still focusing a bit more on their salaries than their happiness.

I know she’s not the only one.

3: They're often stereotyped as violent, heartless, and/or complete perverts.

When someone punches, kicks, or attacks a man, people either rarely pay any attention or sit there and watch for entertainment purposes. Yet if someone punches a woman, all hell breaks loose, they lose their reputation entirely, are probably arrested for assault, and everyone views them as a terrible excuse for a human being.

Also, in news reports, you'll commonly hear reporters read the number of people killed in a tragedy and then specifically point out how many of them were women/children. I get that children's deaths are extremely tragic, often more so than adults, but why women's? Can you imagine what would happen if news reporters only highlighted the men and children? People would absolutely flip out, claiming the reporter to be showing women's lives as throwaways or nothing worth mentioning. Yet ignoring the number of men who lost their lives is considered normal, like no one even questions it. I don't understand-

There’s also an insane amount of discrimination when it comes to prison, on average men receive up to 63% longer sentences than women for the same crimes. (This gets even worse in the case of black men, but that’s a bit off-topic.)

AND Let's also not forget how male victims of rape/sexual abuse are often laughed at, told to just deal with their trauma because "they probably wanted it".
…Men aren't sexually-driven monsters. They’re humans, just because they can’t get pregnant doesn’t mean this stuff can’t hurt them both physically and emotionally, yet people don’t seem to understand that concept.

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Those are just a few prime examples, I can think of many, many others that I either don't have the time to explain at the moment or don’t know how to explain while still making any sense (such as the many divorce and tax-related problems).

And before you say that these are mostly minor issues caused by societal pressure and therefore don’t count, almost all the current issues for women are minor and caused by society as well (In the US, of course). There’s the wage gap from women choosing lower paying jobs, the “not being allowed to legally murder a baby 5 minutes before they’re born unless it’s an emergency” thing, having people look at them if they choose to walk outside naked, but then complaining about people over-sexualizing women in video games by making them choose to walk outside naked… Women aren’t suffering in this country.

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See? You can't come up with an answer. So don't go and say that men are judged unfairly. Men are given everything simply because they are men.

As a woman, I'm sorry, but this ticked me off and I'm really hoping you aren't serious… Men aren't given everything simply because they are men. A lot of the things they're given come from their own hard work and efforts that most women typically don't achieve, not just their biological sex.

When I say both sexes have their own problems, I mean it. It doesn't matter if women have things worse, that doesn't instantly mean that men are just handed everything without question and live perfect lives. To say otherwise is, in my opinion, quite sexist.

So you're going to say that White Males suffer the same amount of oppression and racism as Hispanics or African Americans?

REALLY

You really have to stop bringing this up as literally no one is arguing this. It's just that it exists. Also it is growing as time goes by. Also wouldn't big things start small? No it's not as bad as probably every other group ever. But just because it's a minority does not mean it should be instantly dismissed.

I wasn't the one bringing it up and since this is my chat I can moderate however I want and talk about what ever I want. It was a topic of debate that was being argued before.
Racism towards the white community does not exist. You cannot say that it is real without offering up proof. A white man/woman will never be turned away from a restaurant. They will never be shot down in cold blood while worshiping. There will never be manifestos written about how their race is dirty and unworthy of life. Their children will not be placed in concentration camps and ripped from the arms of their families. Their race will never be breeded out.
'White Racism is a minority' is bullshit. White people will always play the victim card when the people they oppress stand up for themselves. White Racism is when people of color finally say enough and start to defend themselves by speaking out to show the world the true injustice.

Ella you are seriously the most sheltered person I have ever encountered. I'm not going to respond to anything you said because it is so ridiculously sexist that it is laughable and actually proved my point in a way. Not to mention that if I do respond I always get labeled the bad guy.

So feel proud of yourself or whatever, and when you finally leave your house and enter the real world, you will understand that nothing of what you claim to argue for is actually the truth.

Ella you are seriously the most sheltered person I have ever encountered.

Oh boy, you do not want to meet my homeschool group

I'm not going to respond to anything you said because it is so ridiculously sexist that it is laughable and actually proved my point in a way.

…You complain about me not knowing anything about the real world, but then refuse to tell me where I'm wrong?

Not to mention that if I do respond I always get labeled the bad guy.

When has anyone, ever, in the history of anything, labeled you as the bad guy? I've seen Dom get called an a-hat, I've been referred to repeatedly as an absolute idiot, yet you seem to be viewed as the all-knowing goddess who everyone respects and wishes to be like.

To be fair, you have give some stuff that looks passive aggressive.

But of course that make you the one thinking she's a bad guy. Unless it's me. Either way I don't see why it would bother her so much.

Oh boy, you do not want to meet my homeschool group

You're right I don't want to meet any of you

…You complain about me not knowing anything about the real world, but then refuse to tell me where I'm wrong?

I'm not complaining. I don't complain. I'm stating. Besides, what's the point of trying to educate you anymore? You say you want to learn, but only sit around telling everyone how they are wrong by giving out your narrow views. I've told you multiple times before to actually listen to what people have to say but you refuse to open your mind to other possibilities than what mommy and daddy tell you or whatever pops up on the first page of google.

When has anyone, ever, in the history of anything, labeled you as the bad guy? I've seen Dom get called an a-hat, I've been referred to repeatedly as an absolute idiot, yet you seem to be viewed as the all-knowing goddess who everyone respects and wishes to be like.

Trust. I've been chewed out a TON for being the harsh, brutal person that I am by a lot of people because of the things I say in front of 'children'. You chose to comment and follow this post, I'm not about to censor myself over things that are happening in the real world.

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I'm over it at this point because you guys don't even understand how you are oppressing yourselves.
It pisses me off and makes me upset so……yea.

"Besides, what's the point of trying to educate you anymore? You say you want to learn, but only sit around telling everyone how they are wrong by giving out your narrow views. I've told you multiple times before to actually listen to what people have to say but you refuse to open your mind to other possibilities than what mommy and daddy tell you or whatever pops up on the first page of google."

Well we told her to get educated before she entered the debates and she tried. And it is not inherently because of narrow mindedness that she has not changed her views that much. Neither have you. “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”