forum Things You Want LESS Of In Books
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@HighPockets group

I'm really really really sick of books that are just way too long. This usually happens in YA, authors will think good=long and they'll write these bricks that's mostly fluff. It's just really annoying.

What is considered a brick, because I hate short books. 300 and less is too short.

Like 800-900+. I'm fine with long books (like Harry Potter, Cress and Winter, War and Peace) but they need a reason to be long.

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

  1. No. It's not. There's also Gary Stu, we just say Mary Sue because that is the more widely said version. I call guy characters Mary Sues as well. There's nothing sexist about it. Sure you can call female characters Mary Sues without good reason, but that doesn't mean the term is wrong or sexist.
  2. Well I do. But not really I guess. You can do what you want.
    3.The videos were not actually that bad. Rey is OP for no decent reason. Has she ever done anything morally ambiguous? What's her personality? Everyone loves her without due cause. As far as I know (Which to be fair is relatively limited.) she has yet to make a mistake.

@HighPockets group

  1. No. It's not. There's also Gary Stu, we just say Mary Sue because that is the more widely said version. I call guy characters Mary Sues as well. There's nothing sexist about it. Sure you can call female characters Mary Sues without good reason, but that doesn't mean the term is wrong or sexist.
  2. Well I do. But not really I guess. You can do what you want.
    3.The videos were not actually that bad. Rey is OP for no decent reason. Has she ever done anything morally ambiguous? What's her personality? Everyone loves her without due cause. As far as I know (Which to be fair is relatively limited.) she has yet to make a mistake.

Yeah they were that bad. She just has high midichlorians, why does she need a reason? No one asks why Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Yoda, Kanan, and literally anyone else are powerful. She literally left training to go talk to the villain, I'd call that ambiguous. She's a caring, naive, and insecure girl. Not everyone loves her, there's a difference between loving someone and being intrigued by them. She makes mistakes, she left her training early, she got herself caught by Kylo first and then Snoke, and we're only on the second movie, she still isn't a fully developed character. She still can make mistakes.

Anyways, this isn't a debate chat so can we get back on topic please?

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

  1. No. It's not. There's also Gary Stu, we just say Mary Sue because that is the more widely said version. I call guy characters Mary Sues as well. There's nothing sexist about it. Sure you can call female characters Mary Sues without good reason, but that doesn't mean the term is wrong or sexist.
  2. Well I do. But not really I guess. You can do what you want.
    3.The videos were not actually that bad. Rey is OP for no decent reason. Has she ever done anything morally ambiguous? What's her personality? Everyone loves her without due cause. As far as I know (Which to be fair is relatively limited.) she has yet to make a mistake.

Yeah they were that bad. She just has high midichlorians, why does she need a reason? No one asks why Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Yoda, Kanan, and literally anyone else are powerful. She literally left training to go talk to the villain, I'd call that ambiguous. She's a caring, naive, and insecure girl. Not everyone loves her, there's a difference between loving someone and being intrigued by them. She makes mistakes, she left her training early, she got herself caught by Kylo first and then Snoke, and we're only on the second movie, she still isn't a fully developed character. She still can make mistakes.

Anyways, this isn't a debate chat so can we get back on topic please?

BUT! BUT!

Meh. Okay.

@HighPockets group

I really hate the thing where a book (usually fantasy or sci-fi/dystopian) has an awesome summary, but the plot never gets focused on and it becomes a romance set in a cool setting. Like the whole "I'm going to overthrow the governmen-ooh, a hot guy!" thing.

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Also I'd like some antiheroes who are antiheroes beyond 'broody bad boy'. I want antiheroes who are excitable and energetic loose cannons who don't see what's wrong with killing a guy who gets in their way. I want antiheroes who are talkative and can filibuster their way out of situations. I want antiheroes who start off doing the wrong thing but then join a cause by being pressured in. Basically I want lovable con artist characters.
I just really really want fun characters who aren't perfect!

So……Deadpool.

@Starfast group

I really hate the thing where a book (usually fantasy or sci-fi/dystopian) has an awesome summary, but the plot never gets focused on and it becomes a romance set in a cool setting. Like the whole "I'm going to overthrow the governmen-ooh, a hot guy!" thing.

Oh my god don't even get me started. I hate this so much.

@HighPockets group

Also I'd like some antiheroes who are antiheroes beyond 'broody bad boy'. I want antiheroes who are excitable and energetic loose cannons who don't see what's wrong with killing a guy who gets in their way. I want antiheroes who are talkative and can filibuster their way out of situations. I want antiheroes who start off doing the wrong thing but then join a cause by being pressured in. Basically I want lovable con artist characters.
I just really really want fun characters who aren't perfect!

So……Deadpool.

I meant Dmitry but Deadpool works too

@HighPockets group

I really hate the thing where a book (usually fantasy or sci-fi/dystopian) has an awesome summary, but the plot never gets focused on and it becomes a romance set in a cool setting. Like the whole "I'm going to overthrow the governmen-ooh, a hot guy!" thing.

Oh my god don't even get me started. I hate this so much.

Yeah, it's not good…..

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Even better what if the lifelong friend was the bad boy?

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Even better what if the lifelong friend was the bad boy?

did you mean: the hunger games

no because Gale can suck fadoodle nuts.

@HighPockets group

Even better what if the lifelong friend was the bad boy?

did you mean: the hunger games

no because Gale can suck fadoodle nuts.

TRUTH!!!!!!!

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I don't really like the girl falls in love with the nice guy trope either, to be honest. Here's why:

  • Plays into the idea that if a guy is nice to you, you automatically have to fall in love with him
  • Usually, the "nice guy" is pretty controlling and kind of manipulative
    - Thinks he knows what's best for the girl
  • He's very entitled

But:

  • the bad boy's a bastard abuser
  • I really fucking hate insta-love
  • and she shouldn't throw away her life like that

So neither are good choices.

@Althalosian-is-the-father book

Well then the nice guy is a “nice guy” not an actual nice guy.
Nice people, good people, kind people, they gain people’s affection. It’s a real thing. So it’s pretty honest to have a girl fall for a kind person. Who wouldn’t?
The other things (Instalove etc.) are wrong in themselves, so they don’t detract from actual nice guy relationship.

@HighPockets group

Idk if this is just me, but I can almost always tell who endgame will be from the moment the love triangle is introduced.
I knew in THG (but I don't personally consider it to be a love triangle) and I honestly can usually tell endgame ships from pretty early on in a book or series.