forum Debate. Debate. Debate.

Started March 14, 2019 by Deleted user

tune

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Mmm, but how do you even argue about that type of thing respectfully? Or do you just not?

Some do some don't.

But I think everyone tries.

I try to keep it civil, but I've realized that my bar for tolerance of 'awful things people say to each other' is pretty high, so others kinda have to remind me sometimes.

I'll give a topic, but I don't really have a side if that's ok?

A lot of people are neutral about things. Which is actually pretty cool.

go for it

Ok. breathes anxiously
What about the topic of the right to die. Like, should people have the right to commit suicide?

It all depends. If there is no God then of course. If there is, then perhaps not.

Hm, elaborate.

Interesting topic!

I think people should have to right to choose what they wish with their body. We have the right to do everything else (tattoos, piercings, who we sleep with, eat, sleep, drugs etc.) So why not this?

It all depends. If there is no God then of course. If there is, then perhaps not.

This is only if a deity actually cares if you suicide or no.

So if there is no deity (who cares) that has authority over our bodies Eris's argument holds well.

But what if the suicide is just influenced, by, say, environment. Let's put you in a scenario where many people you know have committed suicide. You're not actually sad - in fact, life isn't that bad for you. On a whim, though, you feel sad and depressed, and suddenly decide to commit suicide; your parents, family, friends can't convince you otherwise, even when you had a very bright future coming for you. You still have the right to take your life and hurt everyone around you?

okay interesting thought though, I do still think that is should be considered a 'crime' (just an nonpunishable one) that way police and EMT services can still try and save the person because right now the only way they can enter a premises without a warrant is if they are under the impression and have due cause to think that a crime is being committed. People get saved every day because of this, and live to regret their decision and move on with a happy life because they were saved.

Interesting take. I approve what you mean.

But what if the suicide is just influenced, by, say, environment. Let's put you in a scenario where many people you know have committed suicide. You're not actually sad - in fact, life isn't that bad for you. On a whim, though, you feel sad and depressed, and suddenly decide to commit suicide; your parents, family, friends can't convince you otherwise, even when you had a very bright future coming for you. You still have the right to take your life and hurt everyone around you?

It's your life. You should be able to choose. People do things everyday that hurt people, with zero care in the world (rough I know but it's true) we shouldn't live in constant fear that our actions could possibly hurt someone's feelings, because that could be anything

So should it be a right?

In a way I suppose.

But what if the suicide is just influenced, by, say, environment. Let's put you in a scenario where many people you know have committed suicide. You're not actually sad - in fact, life isn't that bad for you. On a whim, though, you feel sad and depressed, and suddenly decide to commit suicide; your parents, family, friends can't convince you otherwise, even when you had a very bright future coming for you. You still have the right to take your life and hurt everyone around you?

It's your life. You should be able to choose. People do things everyday that hurt people, with zero care in the world (rough I know but it's true) we shouldn't live in constant fear that our actions could possibly hurt someone's feelings, because that could be anything

Also if crimes based on emotion are punished we must all live in fear.

Ok… pretend we have two best friends. They both want to commit suicide, and they want to do it together. They want to have their lives taken by the other, so they shoot each other and both die. Is that allowed?

For legal reasons a contract should be written first but yes.

I do want to clarify that I think suicide is wrong. But I also do not plan on enforcing my morals on others.

The real question is whether saving someone from suicide would be a crime. I say probably.

Same^

Basing off the previous scenario, again we have two best friends. They've been together their whole life. This time, only one wants to commit suicide. Let's say Person A wants suicide, and they want Person B to kill them. B shoots at A, their best friend. Is this allowed?

Ok… pretend we have two best friends. They both want to commit suicide, and they want to do it together. They want to have their lives taken by the other, so they shoot each other and both die. Is that allowed?

Like Dom mentioned, they should have a contract for legal reasons, but if one should accidentally survive, it would be considered murder after that, which is a punishable crime.