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@Althalosian-is-the-father book

Salvation comes through faith in God and his grace, nothing else.

Well yes but also no. The demons believe and faith without works is dead. Not to say that our works earn us salvation, but that we must (attempt to) do what God says in order to gain* salvation. (Did I make the distinction easy to understand?)

I agree with most of this (everything in bold) except for the part where you said we can "gain" salvation. Again, we can't. That was the whole point in Jesus dying. But I think we, for the most part, agree but are using different language to describe it. I think it's dangerous to hint that one can "gain" or "earn" salvation. Perhaps if you said *edify or *prove our salvation, then I would agree with the entire statement.

I think when I later said accept God's salvation that might have been a better wording

@berlioz

So, there's this tiny Christian church on a street close to mine. I'll mention again that we're very much the minority here. This church has a little changeable letters sign out front. They put the sassy-est, punny-est things there. The dominant religion, the LDS church/Mormonism claims to believe in the Bible as well as a bunch of other scripture. The thing is, their scripture heavily contradicts God's Word. Sometimes this little church will put a Mormom scripture adress and a Bible scripture adress side by side, to let people look them up and see how they contradict. It's pretty funny. I'll try to write down the good quips when I see them. Today was "Hungry for Christ or full of yourself?"

@berlioz

Most are hopeful, nice messages with puns. But yeah, they aren't afraid to be blunt and speak the truth.

@jupiter-sun-of-sweater-town group

This is random, but I have a hard time knowing when to be like Jesus and forgive and when someone is toxic and to let them go. The Bible says to always forgive, but I just don't know where to draw the line. Should I even draw the line? Do I just forgive everyone no matter what?

@Consider-PB_and_the_Jellies

This is random, but I have a hard time knowing when to be like Jesus and forgive and when someone is toxic and to let them go. The Bible says to always forgive, but I just don't know where to draw the line. Should I even draw the line? Do I just forgive everyone no matter what?

I hate that phrase too.
Don’t forgive anybody no matter what. Only forgive them if they deserve forgiveness.

@PrettyLittlePyro

But if you’re saying it that way, then none of us deserve forgiveness. I think you should try to forgive people, no matter what, because it’s the thing Jesus would do. It’s not easy, and you’ll fail, for certain, but you should at least try to forgive.

@Tired-but-passionate

I’ll just say something that I’ve heard someone else say: Sometimes forgiveness isn’t for that person’s sake, it’s for your own.
Also, forgiving obviously doesn’t mean forgetting. Just because you forgave someone doesn’t mean you have to keep being around them or having them in your life.

@The-N-U-T-Cracker

I think you should try your best to forgive everyone. However, forgive and forget are two separate things.

Let’s say, for example, your weird neighbor killed your dog while house sitting for you over the weekend. It was technically an accident, but a really stupid, irresponsible one that could’ve been prevented, like playing darts with razor sharp kitchen knives in the puppy’s playpen.
While you definitely shouldn’t hold eternal grudges against the guy or plot revenge, that doesn’t mean you have to let him continue to house sit and take care of your other dogs, as that’s a recipe for disaster. Instead, let go of your hatred, forgive him for what he’s done, but continue to set boundaries so that this doesn’t happen again.

am I making sense here?

@berlioz

If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as he has grieved all of you to some extent—not to put it too severely. The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient. Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him.
2 Corinthians 2:5-8

“If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”
Luke 17:3-4

Notice how it doesn't say "forget what they did to you and keep letting them abuse you". Forgiving is not forgetting. Forgiveness is cleaning the air between you and another person. Forgiveness involves two people, who have to play two parts. You have to express how they wronged you, they have to repent, and then you forgive them. Paul also reminds us not to hold back love when we forgive- when they're truly sorry, there's no more reason for you to hold a grudge. It's healthy to set boundaries between you and the person who's wronged you. That doesn't mean to stop loving them, but it does mean to keep them out of a position in your life where they could hurt you. Forgive them, and move on from them if they're toxic. And pray for them, too.