So I was thinking that so like, Wonderland and Neverland are being seperated by the time realm and then like all the magic would be feeding up to Earth? If that makes sense and maybe there's a mirror portal across the time realm to neverland? But the rabbit hole idea is awesome!
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Maybe the river is the water from Neverland………
Morning!
Okay so I did more brainstorming last night.
Wonderland has 7 rivers- one, already decided here, is Meminileth, the river of Sanity. I really like your idea, Riorlyne, about having it be more potent closer to the source, and I'll apply that for all the rivers I think. The other 6 rivers are currently nameless, but I have their properties.
On the organization of realms- there are 4 used in my story. Earth, Neverland, Wonderland, and Time
I have a diagram I drew in my notebook, but essentially it's….
NEVERLAND (second star to the right)
EARTH
WONDERLAND (down the rabbit hole)
And Time, which mostly occupies the space in the middle, but surrounds and separates each realm for the other.
I like the idea of a revolution (OFF WITH HER HEAD), so I'll probably use that.
Yes, there is a guardian of Time (I think he's actually canon in Through The Looking Glass), but I haven't done much with him yet. I think I'll probably have Alice and Peter see him as a villain (bc they both think growing up is the most terrible thing ever), but in reality, he's not really evil.
Maybe for the border river, maybe it should be just called the Border?
The Time Border river? I think that could work!
Or the unknowable/uncrossable one?
The uncrossable sounds cool? And then time can be known as no man's land.
Also, I have like my big overarching plot
(prob gonna insert some revolution here to get rid of the old Queen)
Alice becomes Queen of Hearts
Big Battle between Alice and Peter (yes, one of them will die, but IDK if y'all want me to tell you bc spoilers? idk)
But like… what happens in all that empty space? My only real idea rn is that Alice, obsessed with staying young/a child, wants everyone else in wonderland to have the same "privilege" so she's actively trying to find a way to do that (my bro suggested that she's trying to find/make an artifact that others can draw youth from, or maybe a potion-tea), and only criminals get/have to grow old? gasp what if she's trying to make WL into NL??? And realizes that she can't change the base laws of a realm, and starts trying to invade NL????
Okay but anyways… sub/other plot ideas?
Maybe, she steals Neverland water so it keeps her young?
Hmm maybe….
I don't want travel between NL and WL to be easy though. I need Peter to be shocked when he falls into WL, but if travel is easy, then it's not that much of a shock. Basically the worlds need to be almost entirely isolated from one another. Maybe each land is a legend in the other?
Alice is a child, and she believes in impossible things. She remembers her "old" friend Peter telling her of Neverland, and, even though all her royal advisors say NL isn't real, she's determined to get to the second star on the right. She conscripts the portal-digging rabbits to find a way to Neverland. The White Rabbits, guardians and controllers/moderators of the portals are against this, and are actively trying to stop her. One rabbit, however, makes a portal to NL, and before the White Rabbits find out/can close it, Peter falls through (cue the convo that one of you dreamed up last night… "not now bob- WOAH")
Maybe that artifact you're talking about is in Neverland which is why she tries to make a portal there?
OOH I LIKE THAT
Neverland has a magic gem or something on the heart of the island that repels Time and his powers. Of course, in Wonderland, that's all a myth, so… forget about it! But Alice can't shake the feeling that she can get there, that Peter's stories were all true. So she goes about trying to make a portal there. For mirror portals, you need one on each side, which doesn't work for NL… bc there's no mirrors there, at least no looking glasses. (let's use mirror for general, and looking glass for portal mirrors). So she has to enlist the rabbits.
I gotta tell you I'm v excited about the portal rabbits
SO question: Are you going to use all the Wonderland characters like the cheshire cat? or leave some out?
I have most of the characters. The Cheshire Cat is a chaotic neutral character that comes and goes as he pleases, giving cryptic advice that sometimes actually helps in the long run but most of it doesn't.
I have plans for the Mad Hatter, the White Rabbit, and the Jabberwocky.
I'm trying to think of other main characters that I should be using? Thoughts?
I also kinda wanna use the talking/singing flowers but I can't figure out how.
And obviously, the old royal family (king and queen of hearts) are dead
The caterpillar, The march hare, the dormouse, Mock Turtle, the duchess, chess pieces, Knave of Hearts, Mock Turtle, Bayard the hound, Bill the lizard, Gryphon. MOuse, Frog Footman, Pat, Fish footman, Eaglet, Bird in the tree, Lory and Duck.
I've been thinking about the March Hare and the Dormouse too, and I know I want to use them, but not sure where they'll end up, bc eventually, the Hatter ends up alone, so IDK where his companions end up.
Mock Turtle I want to use, but don't know how.
I'm also thinking through TweedleDee and TweedleDum- maybe making them advisors or something else in the Royal Court
Cards, Duchess, Knave of Hearts, etc, I'm going to have as members of the court.
Bill the Lizard…. hmm, it's been a long time since I read the book, but I do remember that in the original disney film, he was a chimneysweep, yeah? What if I use him as a manservant/castle handyman?
A lot of the minor characters I'll probably use as just people of Wonderland, with their own lives and stores and jobs and whatnot.
On the Knave of Hearts note, I know he's been portrayed as assassin or captain of the guard or some other military adaptation, and I might like to do that again, but again, I'm not sure. I might have him in league with the Jabberwocky tbh.
The Jabberwocky is technically the antagonist, as the one who sets many events of the story in motion and teaches Alice the dark magic that lets her steal youth from the hearts of criminals. The Knave could be helping Alice by bringing her "criminals," as he tries to get the throne? A ploy for control/power, perhaps?
Oh, and caterpillar will prob just be another advisor.
(alice is just a young girl… she doesn't know how to rule a kingdom)
I think that would be good, I've never read the books or watched any movies…..so whatever you desire. Question: Does Alice have any powers?
The power of imagination!
But seriously
Not any she's born with, but she is able to harness dark magic, which allows her to steal the youth of others. I'm thinking the thing that allows her to do it will be a heart shaped ruby, either in a necklace or on her scepter. Or maybe a ring? Something like that
For the thing that allows her to do that, maybe it was pasted down from the Queen of Hearts? What about Peter Pan?
So far, my plan is Alice got it from the Jabberwocky. If the previous queen had it, I don't think she realized how to use it.
Peter Pan… well he can fly by the power of faith, trust, and pixie dust lol. Other than that (and being young, but that's a neverland thing) no, I don't think so.
I think generally, magic in my world stems from the heart of Wonderland or Neverland, respectively, but there are plants/foods/objects with magical properties or that allow people to harness magic
So for that final battle, would they be fighting magic to magic or weapon to weapon or both?