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@berlioz

According to the interwebs, "'over fork over' recalls the event that saved the king's life." I guess it involved a farming fork?

@ElderGod-Icefire

According to the interwebs, "'over fork over' recalls the event that saved the king's life." I guess it involved a farming fork?

OH. Okay. Well. That's a lot more classy than what I was thinking

@ElderGod-Icefire

According to the interwebs, "'over fork over' recalls the event that saved the king's life." I guess it involved a farming fork?

It's a pitchfork. I don't know what it is, but all I know is that it is a pitchfork.

Here's what google says about it:

There are a variety of colorful stories relating to the Cunningham's motto and coat of arms. The best known story has a connection with the historical Macbeth. After killing Duncan (1st Historical King of Scotland), Macbeth sent his men to kill Duncan's son, Malcolm Canmore. While being chased by Macbeth's men, prince Canmore took refuge in the barn of a lowland farmer, Malcolm, son of Friskin. Understanding the danger the prince was in, the son of Friskin told Malcolm Canmore to hide under some straw in the barn. The farmer received help covering the prince and called out to his companion, "Over, fork over," as they worked to heap layers of straw over the prince. Another version says the prince ordered the son of Friskin to quickly put straw over him, telling the farmer to "Over, fork over!" When Macbeth's men approached the barn a few moments later, they asked if the farmer had seen the prince. Malcolm, son of Friskin replied he had not, saving the prince's life. (King Malcolm III, left)

When Macbeth was later defeated in battle and killed seventeen years later by Malcolm Canmore, he came to the throne as Malcolm III. He did not forget the son of Friskin's heroic deed and awarded the farmer the Thanedome of Cunninghame, arms, and motto. The motto, "Over fork Over," recalled the event that saved the king's life. Sir George Mackenzie however relates in his opinion that, although the story about saving Malcolm III's life is charming, the "charge" is actually a reference to the office of Master of the King's Stables.

Another explanation is that the Cunningham "charge" and motto are a reference to a family friendship. The Cunninghams were great allies of the Comyns, whose shield bore sheaves of corn. The Comyn's and the Bruce's were bitter enemies. When the Comyn dynasty was overthrown by the Bruces, the Cunninghams sided with the Bruces, but adopted the shake-fork as an ingenious reference to their former allies. The shakefork was used to fork over sheaves of corn (Comyn shield and charge, at right).

Ardrossan Academy in Ayrshire holds that the Cunninghams got their motto and coat of arms fighting for Robert the Bruce. The English held a powerful castle called Linlithgow. It was too powerful for a frontal assault, so the Scots had to figure out a way to penetrate the castle's defenses. Using guile and possibly borrowing a page from Homer's story of the Trojan Horse, the Cunninghams concealed themselves in carts under bales of hay and surprised the English guards at the castle's gate. Jumping out from under the hay, the Cunninghams "fell upon them with their forks, tossing the English into the air like hay and shouting their cry 'Over, fork, over!" They secured the gate and let the rest of Bruce's force enter and take control of the castle.

@berlioz

I keep getting ads from the Aran Sweater Market on every website. Every one of my YouTube ads is from them too.

That's the funniest crap I've seen in a long time. And I've been getting ads on sheep and kilts…

I'm just imagining "buy my sheep" and some old guy holding a sheep in the middle of his herd

@ElderGod-Winter-The-Renegade-Legionnaire book

Wedding songs, dances, and feasts.
Halloween originally started with the Celts. All souls night would lead into All Saints day, and there you have Halloween. Their costumes are more like cosplay though. (For adults that is) while the children do whatever they want. There also a tradition if you go to an Irish (or Scottish) pub for teens, (they have those, and it's legal) and someone taps you on your right shoulder, they want to kiss you. You have no idea who it is, until you turn around. If you turn around you have to kiss them. If they tap the left sholder, DO NOT TURN AROUND PERIOD. It means that they're willing to have sex, and if you turn around they'll think you're into it too. Always good to have another person there. If you're holding hands with someone, you're off limits. Period. No ifs, ands, buts, or coconuts, you're not to be tapped out of respect for the other person with you.

@berlioz

That system is surprisingly blunt and simple. I just learned a little more about Samhain this morning, and how it turned into Halloween 👌