forum The Pravaci Court - Leave me a critique!
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@TryToDoItWrite

AWW! I liked it!!! If you're going for those shipping feels then you've got it! I'm actually in Germany rn (here for the year) but I'm still available via the Internet!
Let's jump straight into it, shall we :)

hiding my nervous hands behind my back.

I'd say that you'd probably want to change this. it's a "show don't tell" moment. say something about the movement of his hands that tells the audience he's nervous without calling them "nervous hands"

I chuckled, “That sounds like her. Will you walk with me?”

Okay, with this, I had to pause and realize that walking with him was not the favor. You might want to make that clear with a beat of silence from J (to further show he's nervous) and a question from M's to clarifiy. Like possibly:
I chuckled, “That sounds like her." Then I hesitated, opened my mouth then closed it.
Marielle tilted her head quizzically, "So…the favor?"
"Will you walk with me?" I said it too fast.
She laughed. "That's the favor?"
"No! No. But will you walk with me?"
With a wide grin, she said, "I'd be glad to."

what ever you think tho! That would just clear up some confusion I had with the conversation

No matter its source. The words rung in my ears and embedded themselves in my heart. She was right, wisdom should always win. If only it was that easy. To see all men as men, no matter the lineage. To let a boy court a girl, no matter her station.

Okay, so you asked about having a guy narrating and seeing if the voice matches up? This is one of the places I can see hiccups in the character's voice. No guy would actually process these thoughts, at least not all of them. Not to say that guys don't feel emotion…they do! but they have a harder time understanding and processing them then women do, which is why boys always talk about how girls "talk about their feelings" because they never do. That said, I'd cut out language like "embedded themselves in my heart."
In fact, to make it read smoother, I'd cut it to: No matter its source. The words rung in my ears. If only it was that easy. To see all men as men, no matter the lineage. To let a boy court a girl, no matter her station.
Still emotional, still impactful, but more "boyish" lol

She seemed to glow in the dim light of the shop, the giddiness floated around her. She went to the windows and gently pushed aside the curtains, brightening the room tenfold. Then she went and sat at the work bench, taking great interest in the wood, tools, and gloves strewn about. “So, what can I help you with?”

Again…would a teenage boy use poetic language as such? Perhaps a crown prince would? perhaps not? That is a character choice for you to make, but I'll say that I'd leave it out and replace it with a more detailed actually five senses view of M in the workshop to show that she was giddy, instead of telling (i'm super guilty of using this kind of "six sense" description of people, talking about them "seeming to" and having "energy flowing through" them, ) but it's just not a thing a teen boy would do. he'd tell us what he saw, even if it was through rose colored glasses, looking at the girl he likes. I like, no scratch that, LOve, that J is in love with her person and not her body, and I can totally tell that you're going for that, but it still wouldn't (in my humble hUmble opinion) make a poet of a teen boy. Like: She touched each piece of equipment lightly, smiling. or She inhaled the heavy smell of sap and wood with a content sigh.
stuff to show that he notices how pleased she is

“Don’t do that,” I said.
She stiffened and immediately the line between us sprung up. The line that dictated that she followed my every order, the line that demanded everyone followed my orders.

Oh yeah, big oof…I like this moment. I think it needs more clarification to make it more impact.
Like, "Don't do that," I said, with a forcefulness that came out as if I were snapping an order at a common servant.

It was wrong to do this. The court would never accept her as a queen. I should leave. It would have been smart to leave.

Oh yeah, love this repetition here. This is a good example of showing us the internal struggle of J by just looking at his thoughts. You can feel that while his brain is saying those words and telling him to leave, his body is refusing to walk away. Love it!

oh this next one is out of order sorry

How did you know that?” Most of the court had no idea, I had to discard or alter half the gifts I received before I could use them.

This is just plain unrealistic (sorry that's not meant to be harsh .o. ) The court would certainly pay attention to the details surrounding the Crown Prince, especially giving gifts. Plus, as you mentioned, the placement of the sword plus him eating food or doing anything in front of people is a dead give away. I get that you want M to know a fact about him that not many people do, to show that she's paying attention to him too, which I love!! Just choose something that's not actually that obvious

Okay!! That's all for now! I'm meant to be studying German rn, so I'll get back to that! I read the bonus scene and nothing stuck out to me as a particularly critique worthy transgression! I did find myself smiling as the scene unfolded because it had a sense of mystery and pay off to it. The reader thinks "why is he so happy? why is he acting like this?" and then it's revealed! and the reader feels super happy for him! That's the most I've felt connected to J!! It was fun!

@TryToDoItWrite

It's going super well!! Life is going by so fast and I think the year is going to be over before I know it lol
It's super cold here tho already and it's only September!!! (I'm from Texas so everything is cold to me)
I vaguely remember you telling me to bring a coin pouch bc people pay with coins a lot and I didn't really pay attention to it…but dang girl you were right! you can pay with coins in lots of situations, even at the grocery store!

@LittleBear group

OMG! I'm originally from Texas too! What a small world! And when I had my first New York winter I thought I was going to die! I immediately bought long underwear and a coffee machine - no lie. And the coins… it's so weird isn't it, goodness I don't even have cash on me most days! And I miss Radlers so much, you can't get them anywhere in the states! Enjoy one for me while you're there!

@LittleBear group

I don't think that I will, just with how busy school is right now. BUT I will support the HECK out of you! Do you want to make a separate thread for your NaNo?
Also, I've been working on a scene Nati has to beat one of her soldiers in combat. But it's pretty graphic, once I finish it, would you be willing to take a look?

@TryToDoItWrite

Do you want to make a separate thread for your NaNo?

that'd be amazing! :)

But it's pretty graphic, once I finish it, would you be willing to take a look?

of course!!!!

yuiis

That's really my only critique, though. It's very obvious you've thought this out. The world building here is excellent. I love high fantasy like this only when it's written correctly (i'm assuming that's the genre lol) and this is one of those case. Very good job. I want to know more about Erion! Is he the main character?

@LittleBear group

Hi @yuiis! I think that your critique might have been cut off but thanks for all of the kind words! Erion is the main character of the first book/prequel. If you want to know more about him, I would suggest you read the next pages. The entire thread is about this one story:).

@LittleBear group

Hey, I'm kinda excited about this, too excited to edit it again. So its safe to assume that the grammar and paragraph structure is absolute trash. This first part is going to be embedded somewhere to be used as foreshadowing and the second part is after the army has been formed. Let me know what you think!

“Stris, I need you to know something.” There was no levity in her voice, it was straight business.

“You have my full attention.” And indeed, she did. I was memorizing every facet of her face. Her full lips, her high cheek bones, the noble nose, and her piercing eyes – bluer than the sky itself.

“Some things I do are going to make you angry, they are going to seem reckless and stupid. And I’m going to need you to support me in them.”

“What do you mean?”

“At some point, someone may decide that they don’t want a woman to command them. Its not going to matter that I have been training my entire life – I am going to look incapable by the very virtue of my sex. The second I hear of it, I need to cut it out at the source.”

“But you are heir to the Deracose throne. Your entire legacy is war!”

“Doesn’t matter. I have fine features and a feminine figure. I may have to do things you don’t agree with and you’re going to have to let me.”
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Stris -

“Trouble’s come,” I said with a knowing look. I knew it had to be overcome, but that didn’t stop me from hating it. I had hoped the stories were going to be enough. Apparently, they hadn’t.

She cursed and swept out of the tent, still in her skirts.
It was deliberate.

I fell into step with her, her expression steely – with a barely contained fire in her eyes.

“Where?” she asked, her tone level and her voice soft.

“4th Company, Mog Ekhert’s his name. Captain Ollet sent it up.”

She didn’t say anything as we made our way through the camp, staring straight forward as she did so. I, on the other hand, could not help but feel the eyes on us. They followed us until we went into the trees.

We finally came to 4th Company’s clearing. The ground was soft from the rain the week before and mossy boulders lay scattered among the drying leaves.

A man with a remarkably square jaw walked up to us and offered Nati his arm. “Captain Ollet, your highness.”

She clasped his forearm and they nodded to one another. “Nice to meet you captain. Which one is he?”

“Your highness, he’s the burly one with the red beard, the Rondolvan.” The captain was a good-looking man, he was the perfect embodiment of a soldier. “I’ll take you.”

“Just point me in the right direction. Watch if you want, but I have to be in control of the entire situation. You understand? Also, Captain?”

“Yes, your highness?”

“‘Your highness’ is meant for the court. Here, it’s Commander.”

He cracked a smile, “Yes Commander.”

The men were all laying about. Not one of them had pitched their tents, no one was sharpening their blades or sparing with one another. Instead they were laughing about something and passing a wineskin back and forth. As we neared them, it became clearer who was the leader in the revelry.

He was gesturing wildly. With his back to us and with a mop of wavy brown hair, it wasn’t clear if he was the man we were looking for. But he certainly had the attention of the entire band. Each of his words got a rise out of the men. Some reacted with wolfish grins and others with nervous chuckles.

“- and I’d show her who should really be king. Royal or not, no bitch is going to be ordering me around, especially not the spawn of the Mad Whore.”

“Why are you fighting then, Mog? You don’t believe the queen was innocent?” One of the others said, a strong looking fellow with a ruddy complexion, rubbing down his knife with a rag.

Ekhert leaned in and sneered “I wanna stick my hands in some capital blood.” Everyone else was silent. “They’re living the high life while we’ve been living like dogs. This is just the fastest route to pushing over the court entirely. And on the way, maybe I’ll get the change to bend her to my will, eh boys?” he crowed.

He was expecting raucous laughter, but at this point, everyone but him had caught sight of us. Waves of wrath were pouring off of Nati and I could hear the faint tapping of her fingers against her skirt.

The air hung still for an agonizing second. Then the soldier who had dared push back against Ekhert leapt to his feet. A few of the others did the same, but most stayed on the ground with Ekhert.

He lazily turned to look up at us and it was clear that we had the right man. Ekhert was easily the largest man of the bunch. What he lacked in height, me more than made up with in width. If not for the beard, he would have would have been forgettable. But, as I was sure was the same for anyone, his thick bright red beard cemented him in my mind. His lip curled up into a cross between a sneer and a lewd grin as he looked her up and down.
I wanted nothing more than to loose an arrow straight through the throat.

“Well Jessimae bless me, it’s the –” He started.

“The ‘Mad Whore’s spawn’?” Nati cut him off, her voice low, almost conversational.
His face spasmed for a moment before receding back into the grin, showcasing his crooked teeth.

“Get up and do it then,” she said, her eyebrows lifted delicately, “bend me to your will.”
The great oaf threw his head back and bellowed, “You hear that boys, she wants me.” But he stayed there, propped up on his hands.

My own anger was growing with every second, reaching its boiling point. My head knew that she needed to handle this herself. My heart, however, made me want to forget my bow and plain knock his teeth out.

“I don’t think you’re man enough to do it,” she breathed. “I think you’re scared. You’re terrified, so you cover it up with big claims and fantasies of raping and pillaging.” There was power – no, cockiness pouring off of her. “The very pinnacle of a man.” She was wearing a sneer of her own. Her fingers yanked at the ribbon holding her skirts together and it fell from her in its usual spectacular fashion. She then removed her overjacket and handed both of them to me. She then unbuckled the harness that sheathed her daggers and her whip and handed them to me as well. That move, handing me her clothing, in any other context would have been salacious, at court would have been downright pornographic. But here, here it was a power move. She stood only dressed in her trousers, blouse, and corset. If not for her braid, she might have been mistaken for a boy. “Prove me wrong.”

A crowd had gathered, growing steadily. Squads and platoons had come over until the entire company stood in tense silence.

Ekhert slowly got to his feet, fiercely holding onto his own bravado. “I’m going to make you scream, princess.” He rolled his shoulders and his arms rippled under his shirt.

The tension was palpable – and the crowd had begun to murmur, it seemed to be a beast of its own.

Nati silently slipped her right foot back and rolled onto the balls of her feet. She pulled her right hand back, slowly in anticipation. She was going to need to take advantage of his weight.

While he looked much stronger than Father or I, I could tell he was much slower. If he got in a single solid strike, it would be over. “Where are your pretty – gck!”

A quickly as an asp, she struck his throat with her right hand and leapt to the left.
Ekhert choked. His eyes were watering as they burned in rage. He rushed her with his beefy fists swinging wildly.

She ducked under his left and slammed her palm against the side of his nose.
There was sickening crack and scarlet blood streamed down his chin. He shook his head and left his torso open and Nati made her first mistake.

She went for his ribs, she must have forgot how protected he was by his girth. For all it did her, she might have punched a bull.

He swung up with his right and caught her in the gut, she tried to defect it as much as she could, but his sheer mass was too much. Her feet faltered as she doubled over from the blow. His other fist came down on the side of her left temple and she slipped and fell face first onto the forest floor.

I could hear nothing but the rush of blood in my ears. I felt nothing but the weight of my quiver on my back. My fingers twitched from the need to nock an arrow.

But a calloused hand fell on mine. “She has to do it.” Captain Ollet whispered.

Ekhert lifted both arms above his head and brought them down with all his might, but at the last moment, Nati rolled out of the way. Instead of slamming his fists into her, they crashed into the moss-covered boulder where she had just been. He howled in pain.

She sprung up into a crouch before leaping into her favorite move, the move she had tried to teach me – the move had made me lose consciousness so many times before. She took advantage of his back and wrapped her right arm around his thick neck. She swept the left behind his head and hooked her feet into his thighs. To the casual observer, it would have looked as if she was a child, climbing her father’s back. To the more than casual recipient of the move, I could tell the fight was over. That and his face was turning purple.

“You have four more seconds until you pass out. Forty-five until death, yield.” She said, huffing slightly. For a split second, it looked as if Ekhert would stay defiant until the end. But the
anger in his eyes melted into resignation and he tapped her arm thrice.

She released him and kicked herself off, landing lightly on her feet.

He was not so graceful. He fell forward, wheezing the entire way down.

The men erupted into cheers. I wondered if they would have cheered regardless of the victor, but from their faces – this would be a turning point for her, for us.

She walked towards me, and that was it. I knew I would follow her anywhere. Despite the growing bruise on her temple, her bloody lip, and her hair escaping her braid in a wild, black halo, there was a twinkle of triumph in her eyes. In that moment, it looked as if the world was hers.

I thought that was the end of it. She had clearly won, there was nothing the hulk of a man could do. But, somehow, he had regained his breath enough to rush Nati again. He leapt forward with hands outstretched to choke her. I don’t know how she did it, if she felt the presence behind her or heard him, but she was ready for him.

She spun on her heel, dropped to a knee, and with an underhanded grip, grabbed him in-between his legs, and jerked upwards.

He stopped in his tracks and shrieked. Birds took flight. Every man in the clearing winced and reflexively moved to guard his own groin, myself included.

She released him and he fell to his knees. Then she planted her foot on his shoulder and kicked him over.

“No – honor,” he wheezed.

“No honor? Me?” Nati spat blood into the dirt next to him. “And attacking a comrade with her back turned is honorable?” She laughed harshly. “This ‘honor’ is petty rules made by men to protect their greatest weakness. A weakness I don’t have. To the three hells with your honor, I fight to win.” She looked at the rest of them, some with their mouths agape, eyes wide, others with panicked looks, and still others with the look of pride. Pride for their General. She gestured to all of them, “I suggest you fight the same way.”

“Real honor? That is in the respect you show for your brothers and sisters. Our foe are our countrymen, our neighbors, our families. We do not fight for the love of violence and want of death. We fight against the horrors committed against us and our allies, the lies told, and the stolen opportunities.” She swallowed hard and took in a deep breath.

“There is no place in this force for rapists and assaulters. If I even hear that you have forced yourself on a woman, I will kill you where you stand. Let me repeat myself, violation of our countrymen and women will result in execution.”

Time stood still. She commanded the entire crowd, but she was subtly starting to lean to the side. I took a step towards her, positioning myself just within reach.

“If our goals are not aligned, this is your final warning.”

Then, the soldier who had dared to question Ekhert dropped to his knee and closed his fist over his heart. The rest of them fell to their knees like Kento Tiles, all of them except Ekhert who as still laying on the ground, clutching his manhood. “We are yours to command,” the soldier said with steel in his voice and an earnest set of his jaw.

I could not see, but I imagined she smiled a little at him. “Rise. Training begins tomorrow,” she said, and with that she turned and we started back the way we came.

Once we reached the tree line and we were sure we were out of view of the men, Nati stopped and steadied herself against a tree.

“Are you alright?” I asked.

She waved me off, “My head is just pounding is all. That Ekhert can pack a punch, but I’ll be fine.”

I didn’t believe her, but I still handed over her weapons and watched as she reattached her sheaths with well-practiced movements. She then took her skirts and overjacket and refastened them. As if by magic, she looked like a village girl, the most beautiful village girl in the world, but a village girl all the same.

“You’re staring at me, is it really that bad?”

“No,” I breathed. “No you don’t, just a little wild.” Before I could stop myself, I reached out and swept the wisps from her face. Then I wiped the blood from her lip with my thumb.

“What are you doing?” She whispered and began to sway again.

I reached out to steady her, “Nati – I”

“I’m seeing stars, Kraio, I don’t feel right.”

“Nati, I’m Stris –”.

Her eyes rolled back and she fell forward, buckling straight into my arms.

“Nati, Natiselle! Wake up.” No. What was I going to do? I couldn’t just walk back to the command tent with the commander knocked out – they’d kill me outright. But we couldn’t stay here. If the men found out she’d fainted, she would lose all she had fought for. “Please wake up.”

There was no response but the gentle rise of her chest against mine.

“Gods help me,” I cursed, and I swept up the unconscious girl of my dreams off of her feet.
Her head threatened to loll over my arm, so I shifted and lifted her up close to my body, ensuring her head rested on my chest. This was definitely not how I had pictured this. Cursing and praying, I slowly began to make my way back.

The twilight air was cool against my face, but the heat coming off of her body warmed me and the steady sound of her breathing kept me from flying into a panic. I thought only of each step in front of me. If I paused to think of how close we were, of the feeling of her in my arms, the faint scent of vanilla from her hair… No. I had to think only of the steps.

@TryToDoItWrite

Okay first off!!! Holy mother of–!!! This was great! I felt myself get pulled right into the story during the fight and subsequent speech by Nati. Obviously, glaring grammar mistakes throughout but I'm not even gonna bother going through and pointing them all out bc this is just a first draft—just look for run on sentences especially on your second edit. Honestly, I only have two real content critiques—

“Your highness, he’s the burly one with the red beard, the Rondolvan.” The captain was a good-looking man, he was the perfect embodiment of a soldier. “I’ll take you.”
this one i just wanted to say that you should probably put your description of the captain before the description of Ekhert. both are new characters and you need to be as clear as possible which description goes with which person.

Her eyes rolled back and she fell forward, buckling straight into my arms.
she obviously has a concussion which (if she's passing out from it) is a big deal. some people quite literally get hit in the head, fall asleep and never wake up. but I want to see more signs that she's concussed before she passes out, to make it feel as dangerous a situation as it really is. did you research concussions or head injuries? (just out of curiosity)
since i've had a concussion (not fun!!) I'll leave you a little list of my symptoms to sprinkle in before she passes out and after she wakes up:

  • bright lights hurt the eyes!
  • you literally can't speak in straight sentences. like i was slurring words and forgetting how to basic english
  • dizzy (you got this one) :)
  • headache like the devil himself (you also got this one!)
  • violent vomiting (in severe concussions, which this is)
  • confusion, forgetting where you are and what you're doing (i was playing basketball when i got mine and i totally lost my mind. my coach was yelling at me and i was just….so confused)

all this to say that if she is concussed enough to faint…she couldn't put her clothes back on all by herself nor notice that Kraio was staring at her
this is all my humble experience with head trauma, so take it with a grain of salt

other than that, absolutely amazing!!! you're killing it dude!

@TryToDoItWrite

oh…this is something i noticed just now:

unconscious girl of my dreams off of her feet.

awkward phrasing right there. he doesn't have to be constantly telling the audience that he's in love with her. we already know! we love that he's in love with her in a whole unrequited love thing, but it gets repetitive. just give the audience just enough to want it to happen but not enough for it to get old before its even begun

@LittleBear group

Holy Crap that was a quick reply! Thanks so much :)

unconscious girl of my dreams off of her feet.

awkward phrasing right there. he doesn't have to be constantly telling the audience that he's in love with her. we already know! we love that he's in love with her in a whole unrequited love thing, but it gets repetitive. just give the audience just enough to want it to happen but not enough for it to get old before its even begun

Omg, I totally didn't even realize, yikes! Thanks so much for catching that!

So I did do a little bit of research for the concussion stuff, but I didn't know that all of the symptoms are there! So is it usually the case that they all happen before passing out? Because I don't want her to come out of the fight unscathed (and passed out hero is kinda one of my favorite tropes evil cackle) but she absolutely has to give the speech. So I tried to do the confusion part with Nati calling Stris "Kraio" (even though at this point, Kraio is across the country). And I also read that there can be a delay before symptoms show up, do you know how true this is? Like I can re-write so that Stris has to put her clothes back on, maybe throw some vomit in there, but its really important that she wins the fight and gives the speech.

@TryToDoItWrite

And I also read that there can be a delay before symptoms show up, do you know how true this is? Like I can re-write so that Stris has to put her clothes back on, maybe throw some vomit in there, but its really important that she wins the fight and gives the speech.

oh yeah for sure…my speech slurring didn't start for ten or twenty minutes after i hit my head

(lol didn't realize the Kraio thing…that's a good one!)
and I definitely agree, she gotta walk out of there like the badass she is! honestly, you haven't done anything really wrong per say, I just (evil cackle) love watching heroes suffer more than they already do!!

@LittleBear group

Haha, well, I put an updated version up when I'm not quite so swamped. But in the meantime, someone asked me about the colors of the wedding dress of Marielle and Eline, it got me thinking of designs and thought you might like a peak!

@LittleBear group

Thanks so much girly! (Also, love the use of German!) So I had some ideas that I've been kicking around and I wanted to get your thoughts.

I'm using the bar thing for the two thoughts I have.

So I a comment I've gotten is "I don't think a simple threat is reason enough to kill someone" (talking about the scene where Nati killed the three thugs in the alley that wanted to rape her and Aelina), and while I do think it is a dumb question, Ive decided that I should address it in a different form. "Why is Nati so triggered by rape?" I WILL NOT write that Nati is a victim that way, but I am toying with something.

I think I've already said this but will be pulling from historical actions that the Nazis and Japaneses did in WWII in regard to human medical testing - and both of those armies committed an insane amount of atrocities in the name of science, and the Japanese specifically did a lot with rape/forced pregnancy as well.

Nati and Kraio have been training their entire lives as athletes/ warriors as well as getting a royal level education from Erion and the nurse maid (Onell). But they think that this is normal, that all of the village children get the same education. Something happens and Nati and Kraio (15/16-ish) ask about it - Erion explains as much as he can/ thinks they should know. They wonder why going against Straivia is necessary -( bc the economy is thriving and the people are not dying from sickness as they did before Straivia took power). Erion snaps and decides that its time to show Nati and Kraio what they are truly fighting for and takes them to one of Straivia's human testing facilities. (All the economic growth is from slave labor and the medical advancements are from human testing on immigrants). There they will find all of these experiments and the development of a virus (pulling from the Black Death where Mongols reportedly catapulted bodies of their dead comrades over the walls and into the city of Kaffa) as a political weapon.

Those things are pretty set in stone - I am wrestling with two things.

To answer the question of why Nati is so adverse to sexual assault/ rape - It would not be out of place for Nati to see a rape in progress at the . The only thing is I don't want to write it. I had originally wanted my book to be for older YA and this would definitely push it out of that genre. But this might be a pivotal plot point and I would of course not make it explicit.

Then I know for sure that in the facility, they are going to come across one of Erion's agents (who infiltrated it, was discovered and then forced to become a test subject and infected). She is going to urge Erion, and his team (plus Nati and Kraio) to burn the facility down with everyone inside because they are all infected and none of the other facilities have come this far, so burning it would set Straivia back ten years (Milan did this during the Black Death). They do end up burning the place down with everyone inside.

The thing I have been playing with is giving Nati a love interest/ fiance (I know its young, but hey historical-ish accuracy) that she's known from childhood. She knows that he works for the Uradavis (Straivia's house) but not much else. She comes across him as they are sneaking around the facility and discovers that he is one of the people conducting the tests. She knocks him out and they all leave shortly afterwards. When they are outside, Erion gives the order to burn down the building and Nati is obviously distraught, Kraio has to hold her back from rushing inside. Nati understands why they have to fight Straivia, but starts to resent Erion, Once they get back, Kraio and Nati demand to know everything.

@TryToDoItWrite

woAh! that's all super super intense stuff!!!

Yeah, any graphic rape thing would definitely push it out of YA into young adult, but it sounds like you're already playing around with other heavy things (mass murder, chemical warfare etc) already and honestly there's not enough young adult novels w/o trashy romance and/or pages and pages of sex scenes so I wouldn't be against you going a grade higher if you feel that the plot point is important enough

I personally think that rape and the idea of it is scary enough without having witnessed it. If someone simply threatened me with rape, I'd be in instant panic mode, and instant panic mode triggers flight or fight response in everyone I feel sick in my stomach just thinking about it

as for the second plot point about the fiance, I'd say go for it because it adds another level of conflict to the scene—it makes it personal for her and that's always better in a plot to have the conflict reallllllllly hit home on the protag
layers like an onion ;)

@LittleBear group

Thanks a bunch! Yeah I was really thrown off with that question… and it took me a little bit not to get mad at the person. I think what I may do is write two versions, one that is more YA acceptable and one that has all of the very graphic scenes, same story line and general plot points but the adult version.

On the second point… I'm so MEAN! ugh

And omg, Nano is upon us!

@TryToDoItWrite

I think what I may do is write two versions, one that is more YA acceptable and one that has all of the very graphic scenes, same story line and general plot points but the adult version.

Yeah, good idea

And omg, Nano is upon us!

OH shOoot Yeah I'm so behind already…………

@LittleBear group

Omg, so the NANO platform isn't letting me update my word count and I have been working on a pretty huge scene. I think I might have my first chapter…. I'm still not sure if I should start off with Nati and Kraio right before they go to the capital or with them as kids and keep focusing on Erion. Pfffft.

On another note, today I finally find out what job I'm going to be doing for the Army and Im SUPER nervous - this thing has been 4 years coming!

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Omg, so the NANO platform isn't letting me update my word count and I have been working on a pretty huge scene. I think I might have my first chapter…. I'm still not sure if I should start off with Nati and Kraio right before they go to the capital or with them as kids and keep focusing on Erion. Pfffft.

Oh yeah its so hard to know when to start the story! dont worry about what's "first chapter" rn but just what happens first then second etc…you can put it all in order later during second or third drafts!

On another note, today I finally find out what job I'm going to be doing for the Army and Im SUPER nervous - this thing has been 4 years coming!

holy mess dude didn't know you were in the Army!! tell me all about it!! my cousin joined the coast guard and she's told me a little bit about how it works

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holy mess dude didn't know you were in the Army!! tell me all about it!! my cousin joined the coast guard and she's told me a little bit about how it works

Yeah! The University that I go to is an Army College, so when I graduate I'll be an officer. So legit I'm in class right now, in uniform, not paying attention to a lecture on Russian Power and Influence in relation to US capabilities. Its also why I'm pretty good at writing fight scenes :). But last night I found out I will be doing Military Intelligence!

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So I’m posting from my phone, and it’s terrible and unedited but I wanted to get your take on this:
Background, Nati and Erion kill Nati’s fiancé (who turns out is hella evil) and Nati is having trouble coping.

Kraio-
That night, Nati’s screaming woke the entire house. But in all truth, if my tossing and turning was any indicator, no one was actually sleeping. By the time I had dragged myself out of bed, father was already there – frozen with his hand on the door. Mama was close behind.

“Papa,” I whispered as I put a hand on his shoulder, “I don’t think it should be you.”

In rare form, the look on his face spoke volumes. Just as I was closer to Mama, Nati was his favorite and it looked as if it physically hurt him to hear her like this. It hurt him to know that he was the source and there was nothing he could do to fix it. ((or There was shame clearly etched into his features and the telltale glisten in his eyes.(I feel like this might be a show vs tell situation here)) “You’re right.” He rested his hand on mine and squeezed it before turning away and descending the stairs.

Mama took my knuckles pressed them to her lips, “Felat ia son.”

“Da,” I said, and I entered Nati’s room.

Her covers were a tangled mess around her, sweat beaded along her brow, tears has stained her pillow, and her moaning filled the room.

“Nati, wake up. You’re dreaming.” I touched her shoulder. “It’s not real.”

Her eyes flew open and she swung at me.

I caught her first and shook her. “It’s me.”

The cloud of sleep dissolved. “Oh.” All the tension left her and she drew in on herself.

I sat next to her, put an arm around her, and was reminded of when we were young, curled up and trying to sleep without mama and papa for the first time. It had thundered all night. Nati had comforted me at the sound that rolled down the mountain. It electrified her while all I wanted to do was cower under the covers.

We stayed silent for a good while, only interrupted by the occasional shaky breath, until Nati whispered, “I don’t know what to do. He’s always taught us what to do…but I’m not worthy. I, I couldn’t see the evil in the heart of the man I loved.” She took a shuddering breath. “We’ve been drilled on right and wrong, good and evil. And, I…I. How can I lead…” She broke down in sobs.

I just pulled her into me and rested my cheek on her head.

“I would have married him.”

“I know,” I murmured into her hair. “If it helps, I didn’t see it either. So that bodes well for the sake of Darion.”

She sputtered at my absurdity and for a moment, she was back. It was a fleeting moment. “I… I don’t know what to feel. He, he needed to be put down. I see that, but…”

“He was your first.”

“Yes, and it was an accident.”

“Mine was last night too. For all our training, I didn’t realize how fragile we can be.”

“I thought that it would be deliberate. That the situation would be life or death.”

“It was, the lives of hundreds of thousands.”

“We had to do it.”

“Yes. Baston’s wife was there. She’s the one who told us to do it.”

She turned and looked at me, horrified.

“She was with child.”

“But she’s been gone for a year.” She breathed.

“Yes. She was…” I could see it in my mind’s eye. “They tied her down.”

“No,” Nati whispered and we sat for a time, sinking ever deeper into the evil. “Poor Baston”.

((They talk about all the people who just died, (they had to set a human test facility on fire bc all the victims were infected and were going to die within the next few weeks) so they killed both victims and the perpetrators )

“They are in Lehion and Rionel’s hands now

((They talk about how torn she is about her fiancé and having to kill him and how guilty she is about wanting to save him)she knocked him out and then Erion set the building on fire while he was still inside) but also feeling guilty because yah know, she killed him))

“So, you are not mad at Papa.” I said, rubbing circles on her back.

“No.” She shook her head. “Maybe a little. But more I just feel shame. That I could just be so close to throwing all of it away. I just, I can’t.” She took a shuttering breath. “The horrors in there. I was so selfish.”

“He would have let you leave.”

“You think?”

“Papa loves you more than anything. He wants your happiness above all, even if he did…” I tried to search for the words but couldn’t find them. “Kill your fiancé.”

“No. I killed him. It was my blow. And it needed to be done, I don’t blame Papa,” She whispered.

“I think you should tell him.”

”Truly?”

“He was at the door, trying to see if he would make you feel better or worse when I got there. He’s at a loss.”

“Papa?”

“Yeah.”

“But he always has the answers.”

“Nati, he’s human.”

“You’re speaking that rational talk. Don’t understand.”

I turned to look at her. “You jest?”

“Yes, somehow.” She shifted and settled back under the covers. “I will talk with him. I promise.”

“Good. Should we try sleep again?”

“Will you stay with me? Just for tonight?” She asked and suddenly we were small again.

“Of course.” I blew out the candle, pulled back the covers, and slipped in next to her.
She turned and we were back to back.

“What would I do without you?” She asked, slowly drifting away.

“You would get into more fights.” I said, waiting for the sharp elbow in my ribs.
But she had already drifted off.

“Goodnight sister,” I said and the gentle rise and fall of her breathing lulled me to sleep.