forum Things You Want LESS Of In Books
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@Althalosian-is-the-father book

Oof that makes me wonder…
I explain the whole creation story in a book the character is reading. That's technically not info-dumping since it's one topic, right? A little cliche, maybe, but I'm mostly okay with that, since I'm writing for me.

Can I just point out how pure that last line is?

@Becfromthedead group

Hah, you think so? Idk, it's more dumping my own emotions onto my characters, so it's not like it's worth going through the trouble of publishing.
That said, I don't mind honing my writing skills in the process.

@personfullofplotholes language

It's so random but I get so annoyed when a group of characters goes on an adventure and then ends up with everyone in a relationship with another person in the group, sort of like at the end of Six of Crows/The Crooked Kingdom? Six kids go off on a journey and end up as three pairs of lovebirds on a triple date. It just feels unrealistic to me for some reason and makes the characters' lives only about the group and their quest/adventure. I can forgive it if the relationships were established beforehand, or if they're really, really well written, but in general it just makes me annoyed.

@HighPockets group

It's so random but I get so annoyed when a group of characters goes on an adventure and then ends up with everyone in a relationship with another person in the group, sort of like at the end of Six of Crows/The Crooked Kingdom? Six kids go off on a journey and end up as three pairs of lovebirds on a triple date. It just feels unrealistic to me for some reason and makes the characters' lives only about the group and their quest/adventure. I can forgive it if the relationships were established beforehand, or if they're really, really well written, but in general it just makes me annoyed.

Okay, except only 2 couples are together at the end of Crooked Kingdom and one of the two remaining couples goes their own way. There's 1 couple that's together together by the end.

@personfullofplotholes language

@MontJyn hence the "sort of" I put in there- I know it's not the best example, but I couldn't think of the other books I've read that do that, or that would do that if there weren't too many guys in their main cast to keep it all to straight couples. Shoutout to SoC in regards to that, though; Wylan and Jesper really helped me not care so much about the fact that everyone in the group wanted to be romantic with someone else (almost always exactly one other person, almost always requited) in the group.

@Pickles group

A super overused and annoying (in my opinion) trope in superhero and such stuff is main character likes girl, girl likes superhero, girl ends up liking main character, main character rejects girl to keep her safe, girl dates other boy to forget main character, main character gets upset, girl gets upset, main character and girl fall in love all over again. Seriously, you're telling me there's no other way these characters might react??

@Kinarymo

Now that you mentioned it, it is indeed an annoying trope. Didn't that happen in the Spiderman movies? the ones with Toby Maguire?
Like, in first movie he and Mary Jane hook up, then they sorta break up in second movie only to get back again and repeat it all over again in the third movie?

@Kinarymo

Its kinda annoying rlly, i mean, seriously?
Ok i get it you dont want to get ppl involved in the messes you are in, but dont get upset and try to win her over again. Its her or the job, no inbetween.
And for her, if she wants to be with him, she needs to know what shes getting into and if shes capable of handling it.

@HighPockets group

Yeah, if you're not willing to deal with what happens with dating a superhero, don't date one.
It reminds me of how authors will have characters date celebrities and then complain about the paparazzi.

@Pickles group

And if you don't want your SO to have to deal with what happens dating you, don't date them and problem solved. Afraid your nemesis is going to put them in danger? It's not a problem anymore. Don't want them to deal with paparazzi? It's not a problem anymore! channels troom troom

@HighPockets group

Yeah, or sit down and actually say "listen, I know you love me, and I love you. But if you date me, you'll be a target for people who will try and hurt and/or kill you to get to me, and I don't want you to have to deal with that."
Say what you will about Harry and Ginny, but he actually sits down and explains to her why they need to break up in Deathly Hallows instead of doing the whole "No….you must stay away from me…I am Dark and Dangerous…" he's like "Hey, if we're together, Voldemort will kill you."

@Kinarymo

I liked the HP series, very much, even in dem dark moments, for little things like the one you mentioned
But god the ending
Next gen endings just kill me

@HighPockets group

On the topic of titles and symbolism/random words, titles that go A/The Status/Verb/Location of Noun and Noun.
Ex. A Court of Thorns and Roses, House of Sea and Sorrows, Children of Blood and Bone, Girls of Paper and Fire, etc.
I just feel like when ACOTAR got published and sold well that naming style skyrocketed. It worked the first few times, but now it just seems kinda attention-grabby.

I noticed that a lot too. It's weird to think that there are book fads.
Like when twilight skyrocketed it felt like all the other books in the world were suddenly about vampires.

Even with ACOTAR, the first book was the only title that really fit. Feyre's in a new dangerous and enchanted place, hence A Court of Thorns and Roses. But in ACOMAF, the mist doesn't make sense? The fury I can see, but not the mist. And ACOWAR spelling out war is clever ig, but the 'wings' part doesn't really fit, especially since 'ruin' is an abstract noun. And ACOFAS has the frost, but the starlight part seems kinda cliche.

I'm just not a huge fan of long titles in general I guess (the only solid title I have is Iron And Ash for a fae story, and the sequel might end up being called Frost and Flame. The only other semi-solid title for a book is Dust To Dust and that won't stay if the plot changes like I suspect it will).

@Pickles group

And in general the "we can't be together but you can't date someone else" and the "if I can't have you no one can" are terrible. Yeah, it happens in real life sometimes, but can we stop romanticizing it? I don't feel bad for your character if this is their mindset

@HighPockets group

And in general the "we can't be together but you can't date someone else" and the "if I can't have you no one can" are terrible. Yeah, it happens in real life sometimes, but can we stop romanticizing it? I don't feel bad for your character if this is their mindset

Yeah, when it happens in real life it's not 'hot' or 'sexy', it's abuse.
If the character wants the love interest so bad, they should either find a way to date them without putting the LI's life in danger, or suck it up and let the LI be with someone else.
"If I can't have you no one can" legit sounds like something a serial killer would say….

@Pickles group

Along with the "if you break up with me I'm going to do this bad thing" and the other person is like alright because we need to tell kids that that's not okay and that's not how you deal with it

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On the topic of titles and symbolism/random words, titles that go A/The Status/Verb/Location of Noun and Noun.
Ex. A Court of Thorns and Roses, House of Sea and Sorrows, Children of Blood and Bone, Girls of Paper and Fire, etc.
I just feel like when ACOTAR got published and sold well that naming style skyrocketed. It worked the first few times, but now it just seems kinda attention-grabby.

I noticed that a lot too. It's weird to think that there are book fads.
Like when twilight skyrocketed it felt like all the other books in the world were suddenly about vampires.

Even with ACOTAR, the first book was the only title that really fit. Feyre's in a new dangerous and enchanted place, hence A Court of Thorns and Roses. But in ACOMAF, the mist doesn't make sense? The fury I can see, but not the mist. And ACOWAR spelling out war is clever ig, but the 'wings' part doesn't really fit, especially since 'ruin' is an abstract noun. And ACOFAS has the frost, but the starlight part seems kinda cliche.

I'm just not a huge fan of long titles in general I guess (the only solid title I have is Iron And Ash for a fae story, and the sequel might end up being called Frost and Flame. The only other semi-solid title for a book is Dust To Dust and that won't stay if the plot changes like I suspect it will).

oof all my titles are pretty long. or have longer words in them. I can't stand stores with just a one word title. It's not enough