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Started November 14, 2018 by @Rvan group

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Wondering how one does both…

I say that the Bible does not agree with gays etc. so neither do I. Afraid people will think I hate gays again. But it’s not like I bear any ill will to lgbt folks. My best friend here is bi.

NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR BELIEFS OR ANYTHING but where in the Bible does it say that?

Thanks for the beginning.
But Sodom for one and all that. And the parts where it says the sodomites are damned. (Corinthians I believe has it among others.)

I think it says it once in one of the smaller books but i could be wrong

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

Also,

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Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I totally love that. Christianity is a cycle of remembering and forgetting so thank you for reminding me that God makes everyone equal and makes everything for a reason because just saying that kind of solved my internal conflict about LGBTQ+.
Also, a good book about that cycle is "When Through Deep Waters" and "The Choosing" by Rachelle Dekker along with the two books that follow it. (I know I've already mentioned these books but they are SO GOOD and I totally recommend them.)

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Yeah…
My personal opinion is God doesn't care. Christians believe He made everyone the way they are. Why would He create LGBTQ people if He didn't, like, want them, or if he was against them?

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Yeah…
My personal opinion is God doesn't care. Christians believe He made everyone the way they are. Why would He create LGBTQ people if He didn't, like, want them, or if he was against them?

Exactly!

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Yeah…
My personal opinion is God doesn't care. Christians believe He made everyone the way they are. Why would He create LGBTQ people if He didn't, like, want them, or if he was against them?

Also, since some people would say that since it's in the Bible that's wrong, but look at it like this.
When the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution and the Amendments they didn't get everything right the first time. They changed and erased a lot of things. Maybe it's the same in the Bible. Society has changed and something that was okay a couple of centuries ago might be totally illegal now or vice versa.

If we can’t trust the Bible we have little to trust in. And besides heretics, it hasn’t been changed. And morality is constant. So there is no immorality that can ever become acceptable.

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Yeah…
My personal opinion is God doesn't care. Christians believe He made everyone the way they are. Why would He create LGBTQ people if He didn't, like, want them, or if he was against them?

Exactly!

This follows the thought that Lgbt peeps are “born that way” which there is no evidence for (as well as some decent proof against (ehhh… sortofish.)

^^^And also the Constitution and the Bible aren’t really comparable.

I'm not questioning the morality or the truths of the Bible, I'm just saying that the Bible was written a long time ago. There's a lot of things that have changed, such as how women are treated in society. Women can vote, work in jobs, and have more freedom in marriage now. Of course, you're totally right. I'm just voicing my thoughts, whether they're totally off or maybe on point. I understand I still have A LOT to learn and I have A LOT of growth to do.

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Yeah…
My personal opinion is God doesn't care. Christians believe He made everyone the way they are. Why would He create LGBTQ people if He didn't, like, want them, or if he was against them?

He also created Hitler… (not saying that lgbt guys are bad people) so your argument doesn’t really work.

I'm not questioning the morality or the truths of the Bible, I'm just saying that the Bible was written a long time ago. There's a lot of things that have changed, such as how women are treated in society. Women can vote, work in jobs, and have more freedom in marriage now. Of course, you're totally right. I'm just voicing my thoughts, whether they're totally off or maybe on point. I understand I still have A LOT to learn and I have A LOT of growth to do.

So what is your point? And change doesn’t matter to God as he can see all times.

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Yeah…
My personal opinion is God doesn't care. Christians believe He made everyone the way they are. Why would He create LGBTQ people if He didn't, like, want them, or if he was against them?

He also created Hitler… (not saying that lgbt guys are bad people) so your argument doesn’t really work.

All bad things are for a reason too, a theme showed often in the bible. To learn we first need to make mistakes. Hitler was one of society's BIG mistakes, but we've made lots of changes to prevent something like that in the future.

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Yeah…
My personal opinion is God doesn't care. Christians believe He made everyone the way they are. Why would He create LGBTQ people if He didn't, like, want them, or if he was against them?

Exactly!

This follows the thought that Lgbt peeps are “born that way” which there is no evidence for (as well as some decent proof against (ehhh… sortofish.)

Do you mean {and I'm saying this with full respect} you believe LGBTQ just wake up one day, and are gay?

Whoa whoa whoa! You can’t take that line! (Well… I mean, you can.) Good can come from bad sure. But bad comes from Satan, not God. Like, what is the reason for horrible things because I’m editing for sensitive people?

Alright, maybe I shouldn't have asked about LGBTQ+ because this conversation has obviously not been pleasant.

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Yeah…
My personal opinion is God doesn't care. Christians believe He made everyone the way they are. Why would He create LGBTQ people if He didn't, like, want them, or if he was against them?

Exactly!

This follows the thought that Lgbt peeps are “born that way” which there is no evidence for (as well as some decent proof against (ehhh… sortofish.)

Do you mean {and I'm saying this with full respect} you believe LGBTQ just wake up one day, and are gay?

Nah. I think it’s a very gradual thing that can spring from trauma, (no offense hopefully) a twisted sense of sexuality (think kids raised on porn), and social pressure, which is where we get the kids that were homophobes three years ago that now have pride flags everywhere.

Whoa whoa whoa! You can’t take that line! (Well… I mean, you can.) Good can come from bad sure. But bad comes from Satan, not God. Like, what is the reason for rape? That stuff is horrible.

I'm not saying BAD bad stuff like that…
you know what this is too confusing
Christianity has way too many variations and mindsets for everyone to agree and work together about some things.

Alright, maybe I shouldn't have asked about LGBTQ+ because this conversation has obviously not been pleasant.

I’m fine. If someone else is not feeling good we can stop now.

Wondering how one does both…

Simply, I believe God made LGBTQ+ people the way they are because that’s how He wanted them to be

I mean because Catholic teaching is against that stuff.

Yeah…
My personal opinion is God doesn't care. Christians believe He made everyone the way they are. Why would He create LGBTQ people if He didn't, like, want them, or if he was against them?

Exactly!

This follows the thought that Lgbt peeps are “born that way” which there is no evidence for (as well as some decent proof against (ehhh… sortofish.)

Do you mean {and I'm saying this with full respect} you believe LGBTQ just wake up one day, and are gay?

Nah. I think it’s a very gradual thing that can spring from trauma, (no offense hopefully) a twisted sense of sexuality (think kids raised on porn), and social pressure, which is where we get the kids that were homophobes three years ago that now have pride flags everywhere.

Agree to disagree But you think it's wrong?