Soo, my Mom just showed me this video. I found it extremely interesting. Take a look. (Just so you know, i'm not on board with "Flat Earth" but, this has tons of information that'll make you think.) I need more people to discuss this with because this has alot of info. Maybe we can find something bigger. Maybe the world as we know it has been a lie. Help me.
YES I LOVE TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF. I watched the video and all I'm gonna do is debunk the whole thing. XD Sorry for the length.
So for the first one (about the moonlight being colder than the shade), I did some research. You can do it too to back it up so that I'm not just claiming stuff that I could have made up. Apparently, if there was a thick cloud cover that night, heat can be trapped more easily. In other words, the moon's light has nothing to do with how hot or cold an object under it is, the clouds above reflecting the heat have everything to do with it. And using that Bible verse doesn't prove that the moon produces its own light. Yes, you can call it a "second light" and still accurately describe the moon, but that doesn't mean the moon produces that light. And my question for the people who think that: what produces the moon's shadow if the moon produces its own light?
As for the ice wall, when they showed it they had a voice-over of a guy saying, "because they don't want us to find out what's beyond." Is he implying that the government built the ice wall? Have they ever seen it? Three hundred feet isn't actually too tall to be able to sail to it and climb it yourself. Find out what's over it, then come back to us.
As for running around in a circle on a flat plane rather than a circular one, it's kind of obvious when you feel yourself constantly always turning slightly to the left or right, verses when you're traveling straight. Ships sailing around in a circle rather than on a globe doesn't explain why we see a ship's sails appear first on the horizon, then slowly the rest of it as it travels up to meet our eyes. That's because it's traveling up the curve of the earth.
The thing about a pilot having to dip his nose down every five minutes if the earth was round is silly because if gravity is constantly pulling the plane toward itself, there's no need for the plane to adjust to the curve of the earth. Being pulled down constantly makes it feel like you're always upright. Like the experiment when you put water in a bucket, and then swing it around above your head with enough force that the water stays glued to the bottom of the cub, even if it's upside down.
The thing about seeing your porch light from space, sometimes there IS no cloud cover, and each individual light isn't an individual porch light, it's usually thousands of lights or even one town. Or a city.
Ooooh photoshopped clouds? That's actually interesting. But where did they get those pictures? Where did they get that supposed NASA quote saying "it must be photoshop"? If I were to go onto NASA's website right now, would I find them flaunting those photoshopped pictures? Or would I find them randomly on Google images and not know if some random Joe Shmo edited it? Super insignificant btw, it's not like they need to photoshop the clouds. XD If they really thought creating more clouds would hide some sort of "secret," they could have drawn very realistic clouds to make the picture seem more real.
I'm not quite sure about the different ocean colors in the pictures, but I always assumed that they had different cameras (less advanced to more advanced). I looked it up and apparently the ocean's color changes a lot according to the different concentrations of phytoplankton and land runoff and such. I don't know if that accounts for the entire picture being a different color, but it might. My only question is, why would NASA be willing to photoshop clouds and not photoshop the color of the ocean? Maybe it's because there's another explanation and they really don't have anything to hide.
Australia upside down thing… see my bucket full of water experiment.
"Wanna know how I know the earth is flat? Well, the government SAYS rockets have gone to space, but I've watched lots of their rockets fail their launches. That means the government can't even make rockets that go to space. And if they're lying about that, well then they MUST be lying about the earth being round." Yeah, I don't understand that logic. He hasn't been alive for every single rocket launch, so he can't tell us no one has successfully launched something to space.
When I looked up why rockets curve when they launch instead of going straight up, it's because scientists have calculated how to get that rocket into orbit around the earth with as little fuel as possible. So that's why they have it curve.
All those clips of space ships traveling horizontally are extremely zoomed in and could have been tilted to make the ship appear to be traveling more horizontally than it actually is, or it could have been way higher up than they make us believe (as in, already high enough to break into earth's orbit) and we can't tell how high up it is because of the zoom. Either way, these clips ere shown without integrity. It's almost as if the flat earther's aren't too confident in their own evidence…
So as for the "closed system" thing, that was only one rocket and one test to see what happened when it traveled up. Had it already gotten to space? Had the fuel run out a few seconds earlier so that it had no momentum to keep spinning (and since it was probably still in earth's atmosphere, there was enough traction to stop its motion)? Did they simply slow down the video? In order for them to prove their hypothesis, they have to conduct the same experiment over and over again. Then they try much bigger rockets. Then they try facing a camera upwards to see what they're hitting for a change. Maybe even fire it from a mountain to see if they can make the fuel last longer. They can't explain anything with that tiny rocket and that small camera. When I looked it up, rockets have this thing called a "de-spinner" for when they reach space, apparently.
The clip from that movie where the woman was teaching some kids some science, the kids said "but we were always told the earth was flat." Well maybe some weird religious groups taught them that but the majority of the world's inhabitants thought the earth was round since the ancient Greeks.
When Neil was describing gravity, he said Einstein described it as "the curvature of space and time." Then this little "huh?" popped up, as if that alone proves that what Einstein just said is ridiculous. Just look up "fabric of spacetime" on Google images to get a better idea of what he means. If time and space are woven together in an invisible fabric, and planets "sit" on that fabric, it makes sense how denser planets can attract more objects and super small planets can't. It also explains how if you travel around a GIANT planet in space, time slows down. This has been tested and observed. In other words, the bigger the object in space, the more it bends the fabric of spacetime, and the more gravity and time are affected.
Also, it's okay for someone to say he has no idea what something is. Nobody claimed that science could know everything.
"Oh so you claim ships disappear over the curve of the earth, huh? Well that's just your eyes. If you whip out a telescope you can find the whole ship again." Ever just, I dunno, kept watching until it disappeared out of view from the telescope? To make sure your explanation is foolproof? If the earth was flat, the way we know water behaves would make the ocean a nearly PERFECT flat plane. If we have telescopes that can see LIGHTYEARS out into space, we could use a powerful telescope to look across the ocean and SEE the next continent–if the earth was flat. Or even the mysterious ice wall. But no.
Lol that "hemisphere" meme at the end. XD We never use the word "hemisphere" to refer to the entire earth. We always say "northern hemisphere" or "southern hemisphere." That's because we ARE referring to half of the globe in that case.
Well there are my two cents. I feel like these people just want to feel special by defying "the government" and being "different" from everyone else. It feels good to call yourself a "free-thinker." I'm a Christian, and it makes me feel sick that Christians want to defy EVERYTHING that science has discovered, just because science also tries to say that the world macro-evolved. They wanna hate the government, they wanna hate society, they wanna hate everything, and above all, they wanna feel special.
As for running around in a circle on a flat plane rather than a circular one, it's kind of obvious when you feel yourself constantly always turning slightly to the left or right, verses when you're traveling straight. Ships sailing around in a circle rather than on a globe doesn't explain why we see a ship's sails appear first on the horizon, then slowly the rest of it as it travels up to meet our eyes. That's because it's traveling up the curve of the earth.
You should check out the Flat Earth Society website, if you haven't already. There is a lot of "proof" that the earth is flat. (I'm not a flat earther, btw) https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/ If you go to Featured Articles, and then to Maps, you can look at some proposed maps of the flat earth. They're really cool looking (lol I'm a nerd). I think they're supposed to eliminate the issue of always having to turn to the left or right as you travel?
As for running around in a circle on a flat plane rather than a circular one, it's kind of obvious when you feel yourself constantly always turning slightly to the left or right, verses when you're traveling straight. Ships sailing around in a circle rather than on a globe doesn't explain why we see a ship's sails appear first on the horizon, then slowly the rest of it as it travels up to meet our eyes. That's because it's traveling up the curve of the earth.
You should check out the Flat Earth Society website, if you haven't already. There is a lot of "proof" that the earth is flat. (I'm not a flat earther, btw) https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/ If you go to Featured Articles, and then to Maps, you can look at some proposed maps of the flat earth. They're really cool looking (lol I'm a nerd). I think they're supposed to eliminate the issue of always having to turn to the left or right as you travel?
I don't know how you could travel in a straight line in your boat, but then if you're a flat earther you assume you're actually traveling in a circle?
Well there are my two cents. I feel like these people just want to feel special by defying "the government" and being "different" from everyone else. It feels good to call yourself a "free-thinker." I'm a Christian, and it makes me feel sick that Christians want to defy EVERYTHING that science has discovered, just because science also tries to say that the world macro-evolved. They wanna hate the government, they wanna hate society, they wanna hate everything, and above all, they wanna feel special.
Me too. I hate that. Science and God can be right, they can coexist. I found this weird and interesting when I watched it. It set off inspiration and curiosity at the same time.
It set off a lot of red flags too. Like I've heard that if you sailed around the earth you'd float off into space. The answer to most of these questions is gravity. When a circle is zoomed in, it seems straight, the more you continue in that direction you don't feel the curve because of the gravity. Simple. Like a hill. A gentle slope doesn't feel like one if it is gentle enough.
Australia upside down. Just how is that possible? I can't wrap my head around that. How? Sometimes this stuff is plain stupid. It was interesting to see their argument.
Nevertheless, this gave me some real Maze Runner vibes. This really inspired me.
I am skeptical of the government but to an extent. I don't trust them, I don't hate them. They're human like everyone else.
I am skeptical of the government but to an extent. I don't trust them, I don't hate them. They're human like everyone else.
That's a solid view
I am skeptical of the government but to an extent. I don't trust them, I don't hate them. They're human like everyone else.
That's a solid view
Thank you. ^-^
As for running around in a circle on a flat plane rather than a circular one, it's kind of obvious when you feel yourself constantly always turning slightly to the left or right, verses when you're traveling straight. Ships sailing around in a circle rather than on a globe doesn't explain why we see a ship's sails appear first on the horizon, then slowly the rest of it as it travels up to meet our eyes. That's because it's traveling up the curve of the earth.
You should check out the Flat Earth Society website, if you haven't already. There is a lot of "proof" that the earth is flat. (I'm not a flat earther, btw) https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/ If you go to Featured Articles, and then to Maps, you can look at some proposed maps of the flat earth. They're really cool looking (lol I'm a nerd). I think they're supposed to eliminate the issue of always having to turn to the left or right as you travel?
I don't know how you could travel in a straight line in your boat, but then if you're a flat earther you assume you're actually traveling in a circle?
I copied this from the Flat Earth Wiki (https://wiki.tfes.org/Circumnavigation):
"The Flat Earth is laid out like a North-Azimuthal projection.
The North Pole is at the center while Antarctica is at the rim. The continents are spread out around the North Pole.
Circumnavigation on an FE is achieved because on a compass East and West are always at right angles to North. Traveling Eastwards continuously takes you in a circle around the North Pole. East and West are curved.
As it happens, on an RE you do not travel perfectly straight when traveling East or West either. Consider this thought experiment:
You are standing 10 feet away from the North Pole. You are then directed to travel East and are instructed to continue to do so. What happens to your path? You end up traveling in a circle, and not in a straight line that you previously thought you would.
The exact same thing happens regardless of where are you on the Earth. Your path will not be straight without you having to constantly change the direction you are traveling in reference to a compass."
I think to get a visual of what they're describing it helps to look at the map they're using, so here ya go:
Interesting.
But this is still valid for round earth. We go in a circle around the earth which is spherical. We are walking in a circle, as it seems from the top view, around the North Pole, going straight.
The redundancy is real. XD
I think it’s funny when the Flat Earth Society says they have ‘members all around the globe’ and the like.
XD
Yup.
"We have members across the world." Is what they should use. Gosh, get it right! Unless they're trying to be funny and if that's it, they're failing.
Interesting.
But this is still valid for round earth. We go in a circle around the earth which is spherical. We are walking in a circle, as it seems from the top view, around the North Pole, going straight.
The redundancy is real. XD
I think they're not really trying to disprove the Round Earth so much as they're trying to prove the Flat Earth.
Also lol yes I love that they say "around the globe"
Oh okay, I get that. But when you're that far up North, you're going to have to turn yourself, and be conscious of turnig, to continuously travel East or West. You don't have to when you're closer to the equator. If the Earth was flat, you'd still have to be constantly turning yoursf, the same way you have to close to the North pole on a globe earth.
Interesting.
But this is still valid for round earth. We go in a circle around the earth which is spherical. We are walking in a circle, as it seems from the top view, around the North Pole, going straight.
The redundancy is real. XDI think they're not really trying to disprove the Round Earth so much as they're trying to prove the Flat Earth.
Also lol yes I love that they say "around the globe"
That could be true.
My science teacher went on a rant about flat earthers during class one time. He thinks they’re completely ridiculous, and this is coming from a guy that names his plants and shows us a ‘music video’ (I.e. Strawberry Jammin’, Cheesesteak Shuffle, Jurassic Park Laugh Remix, etc.) every Friday.
Lol yeah I'm pretty sure most scientists completely disregard flat earth theory.
In other news (https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/03/27/flat-earth-rocket-man-finally-blasts-off-in-homemade-rocket-to-prove-earth-is-flat/#551d01b99b6f), on March 28, 2018, a flat-earther named "Mad" Mike launched himself into the sky in a homemade rocket so he could see with his own eyes if the earth was flat or not. He got 1,875 feet into the air, after which the rocket deployed its parachutes and drifted back down to Earth. Mike was unhurt, and apparently he isn't yet convinced if the earth is flat or not. (He still believes the earth is flat but still wants to see it with his own eyes.) He plans to try again with larger rockets to launch himself into space, so he can take a photo of the flat earth.
Of course, if he ever makes it into space and gets a picture of the flat earth, us round earthers won't necessarily have a reason to believe that he didn't doctor the picture. (Unless he can somehow prove that he didn't idk) Unfortunately, even if he makes it into space, sees that the earth is round, and takes a picture, I doubt that other flat earthers will believe him. Odds are they'll probably just find a way to write it off.
So I guess we have that to look forward to.
Hahaha why not just climb a tall mountain? Mountains are way taller than how high he got. XD Besides, he should sail to the ice wall instead. That'll be less expensive.
No you guys, the Earth is tooooooooootally flat…
(Sarcasm.)
I don't believe these FES asshats and I looove conspiracy theories. Anyway, here's another reason…
They say that we stay on their "Flat Earth" because it's constantly spinning around and going upward… But…
How? How does that happen? What propels it upward? And, if that happened, we'd all be glued to the ground, or skewed all over the place. Who knows what would happen!?!
Well they say that gravity as we know it is all a lie, even the laws of science that explains Earth's continually spinning in space. In their minds, they can justify gravity behaving however they need it to and just say "well if scientists were lying to us about the flat earth then they must be lying about gravity and the laws of motion, too."
Wait. I'm an idiot. I reread the map directions and it said 20 feet from north pole.
I thought the continent itself was what it said. Hah. You're right 'Key.
Lol yeah I'm pretty sure most scientists completely disregard flat earth theory.
In other news (https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/03/27/flat-earth-rocket-man-finally-blasts-off-in-homemade-rocket-to-prove-earth-is-flat/#551d01b99b6f), on March 28, 2018, a flat-earther named "Mad" Mike launched himself into the sky in a homemade rocket so he could see with his own eyes if the earth was flat or not. He got 1,875 feet into the air, after which the rocket deployed its parachutes and drifted back down to Earth. Mike was unhurt, and apparently he isn't yet convinced if the earth is flat or not. (He still believes the earth is flat but still wants to see it with his own eyes.) He plans to try again with larger rockets to launch himself into space, so he can take a photo of the flat earth.
Of course, if he ever makes it into space and gets a picture of the flat earth, us round earthers won't necessarily have a reason to believe that he didn't doctor the picture. (Unless he can somehow prove that he didn't idk) Unfortunately, even if he makes it into space, sees that the earth is round, and takes a picture, I doubt that other flat earthers will believe him. Odds are they'll probably just find a way to write it off.
So I guess we have that to look forward to.
Of the rocket is home made, I do hope he’s going up with a suit or he’s gonna die