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Started July 06, 2018 by Deleted user

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also uhhh there was this really popular preacher after WW2 who preached Christianity as a shield against sin/evil/bad stuff and you know what somehow being gay got filed on the side of bad stuff so that's not good either

some notes from my study guide:
The work environment in the clerical sections of the government was highly feminized, which allowed openly gay men a healthy workspace, as well as lesbians. Officials turned a blind eye to the high LGBTQ+ population in the government, because there were so many workers who they'd lose; besides, their sexuality is their business.

In the 1930s and early 1940s attitudes towards homosexuality in DC could be described as ambivalent, but generally favorable. During the late 1940s and early 1950s attitudes towards homosexuality changed from genial ambiguity to fear and bigotry. This change started with the belief that homosexual people were predatory and a danger to society. Following Hoover’s statements, stricter sex crime laws were enacted, including homosexual behavior as a punishable crime. Finally, Eisenhower's order to investigate federal employees to determine if they were suitable to be in society, which affected the lives of many gay and bisexual government workers. This negative change of rights for gay men and women and bisexuals happened quickly because people were scared and needed a scapegoat, somewhere to take their anger out.

The federal government used national security to ban federal employment of homosexuals by claiming homosexuality was a form of sex perversion, and sex perverts shouldn't be serving in the government. Furthermore, according to the Hoey commission, homosexuals are emotionally unstable and have weak moral fiber. The goal of these actions was to force LGBTQ+ individuals from government positions. This affected the LGBTQ community in the following ways; fear of coming out, struggle to find jobs, blackmail, and fear of arrest.

oh yeah this too lol
they thought being gay inherently meant you were weaker in terms of morality and more susceptible to blackmail and that puts the gov in a critical position so CAN'T HAVE THAT

The Lavender Scare limited opportunities for gay men and women and bisexual Americas in the 1950s by discharging them from military and firing them from government positions, publicly outing them. Not only did this limit the rights of the LGBTQ community but it also led to suicides of several gay men and women and bisexuals. This ushered in an era in which LGBTQ+ individuals were afraid to fight back, or even be openly gay/bi, because they didn't want to limit their options. The Lavender Scare, by using national security is a rationale for laws passed, effectively banned all gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals from government service. In short, the Lavender Scare was a result of homophobia, and led to the death and ostracism of gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals.

okay then random piece of evidence from my essay outline practice

Washington Post claimed that the government had become a “haven for sexual degenerates, including those who engaged in homosexual activity.” (5.9C, Shifting beliefs in homosexuality, Philip Jenkins)

Those who engage in acts of homosexuality and other perverted sex activities are unsuitable for employment in the Federal Government. …illegal and immoral acts, but they also constitute security risks in positions of public trust. (5.9D, Senate Hearing Commission Report)

It is generally believed that those who engage in overt acts of perversion lack the emotional stability of normal persons. In addition there is an abundance of evidence to sustain the conclusion that indulgence in acts of sex perversion weakens the moral fiber of an individual to a degree that he is not suitable for a position of responsibility.
(5.9D, Senate Hearing Commission Report)

Well Thank you for the History Lesson. It's too bad that such things had to happen but that's just the way things went.

so uh yeah there's your lesson on how homophobic America was during the Cold War

also it kinda sucks bc…
"In the 1930s and early 1940s attitudes towards homosexuality in DC could be described as ambivalent, but generally favorable. During the late 1940s and early 1950s attitudes towards homosexuality changed from genial ambiguity to fear and bigotry." from my notes again

Well Thank you for the History Lesson. It's too bad that such things had to happen but that's just the way things went.

I mean yeah? It is bad. but I don't think we can just say that's the way things went, that shows apathy and if we don't care about and study the past we can't learn from it and improve

That's awful

Okay, no offense American, but WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK????? Have you no respect for the LGBTQA+ community?

dude it really is
and like
I was in my history class learning this
and I'm just like… horrified and outraged and heartbroken? like so many people had to go back into the closet and lost their jobs and friends bc of rampant homophobia based upon the false axiom that gay=communist leanings and susceptibility to blackmail

Okay, no offense American, but WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK????? Have you no respect for the LGBTQA+ community?

NO THEY DID NOT
IT WAS FREAKING TERRIBLE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

Okay, no offense American, but WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK????? Have you no respect for the LGBTQA+ community?

They still don't

It's just not as bad anymore

Well Thank you for the History Lesson. It's too bad that such things had to happen but that's just the way things went.

I mean yeah? It is bad. but I don't think we can just say that's the way things went, that shows apathy and if we don't care about and study the past we can't learn from it and improve

Sorry, I'm all for learning and trying to Improve, but part of my brain feels that We will still find a way to oppress someone so there was no sense in being optimistic of it never happened.

Again, American Idiot needs to stop being relevant

Also I mean sometime we get some respect in general and temporary fake respect form corporations during pride month

I mean like a crap ton of countries are/were absolutely terrible to the community
and it makes me really mad
like we literally just fought a war against Hitler who was killing everyone he found undesirable/unfit (which included members of the lgbt community) and now we're being super xenophobic! Heck!!! I kinda hate America sometimes!!!!
also uh I hate that everyone glosses over the fact that the eugenics movement started here in America
and- okay the Holocaust was absolutely terrifying and terrible and I'm not trying to belittle it- but everyone glosses over the trans-Atlantic slave trade, most of which fed the American slave economy, and like….. even more ppl died over the slave trade than during the Holocaust
like in the opening of Toni Morrison's Beloved she dedicates it to the "Sixty Million and More" who died during the slave trade
America is really racist and prejudiced and homophobic and sexist and has a lot of problems lol

Well Thank you for the History Lesson. It's too bad that such things had to happen but that's just the way things went.

I mean yeah? It is bad. but I don't think we can just say that's the way things went, that shows apathy and if we don't care about and study the past we can't learn from it and improve

Sorry, I'm all for learning and trying to Improve, but part of my brain feels that We will still find a way to oppress someone so there was no sense in being optimistic of it never happened.

I'm not trying to gloss over the fact that it happened, or be "optimistic of it never happened"- I'm actually advocating teaching it? If you don't teach something then history will rhyme itself (in words attributed to Mark Twain, history doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme) and we will keep making bad rhymes
Like it's easy to oppress someone- take away education- that's where the Cycle of Oppression starts. It's easy to to be prejudiced and hateful because being tolerant and loving and accepting actually takes work
We cannot afford to keep making bad rhymes. We need to break the cycle of oppression. It's not okay.
As part of the LGBTQ+ Community, and also as a member of a religion that the early members were literally run out of their homes and persecuted and driven across the plains and massacred, I know about oppression. It is a part of my history. And I will not stand by and have it be perpetuated.

And I agree with you. My hands and brain just decided to write with a "It can't be helped" attitude. I'm sorry that i was rude.

And I agree with you. My hands and brain just decided to write with a "It can't be helped" attitude. I'm sorry that i was rude.

I forgive you. Thank you for your apology, that was very mature of you.

And I agree with you. My hands and brain just decided to write with a "It can't be helped" attitude. I'm sorry that i was rude.

I forgive you. Thank you for your apology, that was very mature of you.

Your welcome.

That was the most mature argument I've ever heard
I am not that mature

Congrats to both of you

Thanks lol