Right then, back on topic everybody! Why don't we talk about some writing! Character work, world-building, plot, narrative tools, figurative speech, literal devices, metaphors, allegories, all the cool stuff. I got a theme we can start out with. How about we establish some things we like and dislike about coming media and its content.
So I like that antiheroes are becoming more popular, but I also hate that so many books/movies have antiheroes but just like….excuse everything they do with a tragic backstory??
Also– just to add on…. why does everyone have a tragic backstory? Can we get an Antihero/ Hero that just decided one day that they were just a morally grey person and that they should 'fight crime'?
I agree with both of those points. Also does anyone find it strange that the only character arcs that get attention or positive character arcs? At least that's what I've seen.
I agree with both of those points. Also does anyone find it strange that the only character arcs that get attention or positive character arcs? At least that's what I've seen.
Y E S!!!!!
I loved Queenie Goldstein's arc from Crimes of Grindelwald, but no one else seems to? And I loved Qi'ra's in Solo, and Darth Maul's (which was kinda positive but not enough to balance out his evilness. He's my favorite villain!)
Ooh, Eris, mine doesn't have a tragic backstory!
She like tennis and volleyball, and everything with her is cool.
I agree with both of those points. Also does anyone find it strange that the only character arcs that get attention or positive character arcs? At least that's what I've seen.
Y E S!!!!!
I loved Queenie Goldstein's arc from Crimes of Grindelwald, but no one else seems to? And I loved Qi'ra's in Solo, and Darth Maul's (which was kinda positive but not enough to balance out his evilness. He's my favorite villain!)
I think flat character Arts can be just as good as positive. And negative character arcs are just all-around fun. Even if it is a little well, negative.
I'm guilty of tragic backstories for my dystopian WIPs, but because no one whose life is perfectly fine will be radical enough (in the political sense, not the 80s slang sense) to join a revolution to overthrow the government.
In my realistic stuff, most characters have pretty okay backstories (with the notable exceptions of Geneva, Victor, Morgan, and to some extent Jackson) and that's a big issue for them is feeling like their mental illness isn't 'valid' because they don't have a super sad tragic backstory to balance it out.
I agree with both of those points. Also does anyone find it strange that the only character arcs that get attention or positive character arcs? At least that's what I've seen.
Y E S!!!!!
I loved Queenie Goldstein's arc from Crimes of Grindelwald, but no one else seems to? And I loved Qi'ra's in Solo, and Darth Maul's (which was kinda positive but not enough to balance out his evilness. He's my favorite villain!)I think flat character Arts can be just as good as positive. And negative character arcs are just all-around fun. Even if it is a little well, negative.
And honestly? Queenie will probably get redeemed. Qi'ra was never a nice person to begin with. That doesn't mean the arcs aren't fun as hell to watch!
Also, can I applaud how good the villains have been in cinema this year? Dryden Vos is a fun villain because he clearly feels no guilt whatsoever for what he does, and enjoys it (case in point: when he was breathing super heavily after killing the regional governor and his amusement at the quadruple cross), Grindelwald is so cunning and manipulative, etc.
I agree.
What's your guys's opinion on tragic villains
Grindelwald is gold.
Fight me on this haters
Grindelwald is gold.
Fight me on this haters
YOU'RE RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD SAY IT!!!
I agree.
What's your guys's opinion on tragic villains
They can be done well.
Darth Maul is my favorite villain because he's an awful person, but even after everything he does in The Clone Wars and Rebels, it still hurts a bit to see him lose Savage, lose a curb-stomp battle with Sidious, and wander around Malachor for years.
Queen Levana (post-Fairest-publication) is another example. She's awful, but she wants to be loved. She makes good advances for Luna, but at the cost of others well-being. But what she does to Selene and Evret is inexcusable.
I agree.
What's your guys's opinion on tragic villains
They can be done well.
Darth Maul is my favorite villain because he's an awful person, but even after everything he does in The Clone Wars and Rebels, it still hurts a bit to see him lose Savage, lose a curb-stomp battle with Sidious, and wander around Malachor for years.
Queen Levana (post-Fairest-publication) is another example. She's awful, but she wants to be loved. She makes good advances for Luna, but at the cost of others well-being. But what she does to Selene and Evret is inexcusable.
I agree with you thoughts on Levana.
Those are valid examples. I like your style, Jynnie!
Anyone know the difference between Anti-Villains and Anti-Heroes?
Queen Levana (post-Fairest-publication) is another example. She's awful, but she wants to be loved. She makes good advances for Luna, but at the cost of others well-being. But what she does to Selene and Evret is inexcusable.
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So this is a little different from some of the points made, but here goes. I'm tired of small, agile, females with small appetites and big mouths. And guys that are supposed to be big and protective, but secretly gentle and lead the relationship. Not only gender stereotypes but race too. Black people aren't the main character often enough and are outgoing. Asians are always portrayed as shy and smart. Authors don't realize they do this.
Also the stereotypical "emotionless kuudere" ace person.
Hell yeah!
Also the stereotypical "emotionless kuudere" ace person.
Exactly!
So this is a little different from some of the points made, but here goes. I'm tired of small, agile, females with small appetites and big mouths. And guys that are supposed to be big and protective, but secretly gentle and lead the relationship. Not only gender stereotypes but race too. Black people aren't the main character often enough and are outgoing. Asians are always portrayed as shy and smart. Authors don't realize they do this.
I have a shy and smart black girl in one of my realistic fiction books (she's a smol anxiety-ridden ace) and a more outgoing and energetic Asian girl (a pansexual sporty theatre chick)
So this is a little different from some of the points made, but here goes. I'm tired of small, agile, females with small appetites and big mouths. And guys that are supposed to be big and protective, but secretly gentle and lead the relationship. Not only gender stereotypes but race too. Black people aren't the main character often enough and are outgoing. Asians are always portrayed as shy and smart. Authors don't realize they do this.
I have a shy and smart black girl in one of my realistic fiction books (she's a smol anxiety-ridden ace) and a more outgoing and energetic Asian girl (a pansexual sporty theatre chick)
That's great!