forum Critique my sad cult boy, please
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@IShotAnArrowInTheAir

So I've always had trouble being succinct, anyone want to read far too many words about one my characters?
I'm writing this story not as a book but in the form of a TV show (which is why something have episode numbers) and because of that over the 8 seasons we learn a lot about him and a lot of things happen to him, I only talk about a few of them but honestly, it is too much? or is he interesting enough you'd want to know about him?
I guess I'm just looking to see if what I wrote makes sense or is at least consistent.
Thanks a million!

@Your_Local_Scrivener

  1. How does he become the heart of the cult?
  2. If he hates his mother, then why is he "torn between two worlds"? Is it just because he had her influence? Another reason?
  3. How did he get so good at accents? How did he get so good at lying? Was it because of his past?
  4. How is he such a good tactician?
  5. Why "especially sons"? What makes sons important? Is Senan especially marked by Stumpy?
  6. Why does he reveal part of his name?
  7. What tips Senan off to Seti-Rose's lies?
  8. Why does Senan fall in love with Seti-Rose?
  9. If he's great at self-preservation, how did he manage to get kidnapped by his mother?
  10. Where's Stumpy in this grand plan?
  11. Why does he begin to take care of Cassar?
  12. Why does he care about other people? Is it because he still holds onto his father's influence?
  13. How does the cult react to Senan's mother?

I'm not terrific at in-depth critiques, but I hope I helped some. The only inconsistency I can really see is the lack of Stumpy past as a motivator for Senan's mother's atrocities. If he's supposed to appear to the children to try and kill them, why is there a lack of Stumpy? Are there elder children besides Senan? How have they survived Stumpy's attacks? Does Senan know of/have met the elder children? Who are they? How has fighting off Stumpy changed them, if they still live?
Oh, and if the curse is transferred to the children, how do the infants defend themselves? Or is it staggered until the children reach a certain age? Because infants won't be able to defend themselves against Stumpy, and the family line probably would have died out long ago.
One final note: I loved reading his story, he's definitely interesting enough to want to watch! I also feel a lot of sympathy for Senan. Good job!

@IShotAnArrowInTheAir

No that was great and really in-depth thank you so much for taking to time to read it. It really helped me see what was unclear (which was a lot oof)

And then to be honest I never know if those questions are rhetorical or not and like an I don't wanna be that guy ardently defending my Character,but I'll just answer them in case you were Just Dying to know? lol (if not you don't have to read past this)
Thanks again!

  1. That one is my fault for poor wording- I probably should have prefaced that he's one character on a team of characters, and the "it" he becomes the heart of was supposed to refer to the team of good guys not the cultists.
  2. This one I chalk up to psychology and that major stress of letting go of what is familiar to you especially since childhood (especially when you have no where or one else to go to) even when its a horrible situation. And then just also a general feeling of feeling like you can't get out, even if you physically leave just all those physiological and emotional ties you can't cut.
  3. Yeah the accents and lying thing doesn't have a great backstory or anything, it's just somethings hes picked up out of necessary from traveling and just generally being dishonest.
  4. Tactics are another thing I feel like is realistic to say he's picked up? (actually is it not?) again with the travel and the training and the whole lifestyle I feel like you'd learn out of necessity.
  5. Actually you're right about that one- my first thought was because the sons die first the more sons there are the more time the mother has before the spirit goes after her but it wouldn't actually make a difference the gender of the kids, only the number so thanks for pointing that out.
  6. I just liked the idea of him coming partly clean, giving his actually first name but not last name yet as, well I guess you could call it a symbolic gesture of having one foot in each camp. Wanting to be truthful and start over but still having all that past and trauma that you can't just let go of.
  7. It takes one to know one I guess, because Seanan's studied how not to get caught lying hes also pretty good at caucthing liars and, haha it's actually played off almost like a joke at first because the first thing that made Seanan suspicious us that Seti is very attractive and Charlie (the waiters she's seducing) is a bit more, shall we say homely. So at first it's like a little gag but then it turns out to be a lot more real and serious then just 'oh ha ha why is the hot girl dating the ugly guy?' and that's something i enjoying doing is having harmless things turn out to be great conspiracies and vise versa.
  8. Yeah you're right I have been leaving stuff out a lot. (haha I mean you know how it is you forget that not everybody is inside your head like you are) but there's actually a wholeeeee plot I left out for time sake. But in case you were curious the short version is: there's another sub-character named Mother Dubois who is almost 200 years old, trained under Marie Laveau and is really well versed in Voodoo, charms, spells etc. She and Seanan have a real Grand-mother Grand-son type of relationship. So at first Seanan likes Seti just because she is A.) Attractive (and hes a little thirsty) and B.) because he thinks (incorrectly) that shes like him in the sense that he thinks shes also torn between her past and trying to become a better person. When Mother Dubois finds out about here metaphorical grandbaby's crush she wants to help so she slips Seti a full blown love potion. Seanan doesn't know about it and just thinks she actually loves him and that pushes his passing crush into 'I do' territory. Then after a painfully long amount of times he finds out what Mother Dubois did and has her undo it and Seti reports him shortly after that.
  9. I pin that one also on that twisted psychological dependence, as much as he hates both it and her she's still got a really mental choke hold on him that he can't seem to break so he obeys her like you can see a lot in abuse relationships.
  10. The Stumpy thing is mostly prologue to explain all his half siblings and family situation as well as setting up what a horrible person his mom is. It beings her into the cult which is why he is etc, it's all mostly set up.
  11. He takes care of Cassar because there's really nowhere else for her to go, they can't just go to the US government and be like "hey here's a 5000 year old woman give her welfare please and also magic is real" Plus is sorta meant to show character growth in that hes doing something so selfisless
  12. I'd say it's yeah kinda because he has such a good dad but also just because he's still human ya know, in spite of everything he's not a monster. Also I just kinda having had such a shit life himself he can really empathize with over people's pain.
  13. The Nuadanu is always happy to have new members, even after she starts doing weird stuff and looking for the key to immortal life they don't really mind because shes not working against them and then they'll just take it when shes done, so it's a win win to let her do whatever as long as she's still ultimately doing things that will benefit them in the long run.

Yeah sorry to get you caught up in all that stumpy stuff, it only comes up a dozen or so time on the 'show' itself. in short there are some rules I made up purely for plot convince like how the evil ghost is polite enough to wait for the children to turn 20 years old before he tries to kill them. And how he'll leave you alone if you can beat him at a game of wits- to be honest it takes some suspension of disbelief. Really the main thing that's important from that is it kinda gives an origin for his mother which is that when she was first confronted with death she was so scared shes spent to rest of her life doing anything to escape it, no matter how much pain or chaos she has to cause to do it.

Anyway again, thanks so much, your interest is super encouraging.

@Your_Local_Scrivener

No that was great and really in-depth thank you so much for taking to time to read it. It really helped me see what was unclear (which was a lot oof)

And then to be honest I never know if those questions are rhetorical or not and like an I don't wanna be that guy ardently defending my Character,but I'll just answer them in case you were Just Dying to know? lol (if not you don't have to read past this)
Thanks again!

  1. That one is my fault for poor wording- I probably should have prefaced that he's one character on a team of characters, and the "it" he becomes the heart of was supposed to refer to the team of good guys not the cultists.
  2. This one I chalk up to psychology and that major stress of letting go of what is familiar to you especially since childhood (especially when you have no where or one else to go to) even when its a horrible situation. And then just also a general feeling of feeling like you can't get out, even if you physically leave just all those physiological and emotional ties you can't cut.
  3. Yeah the accents and lying thing doesn't have a great backstory or anything, it's just somethings hes picked up out of necessary from traveling and just generally being dishonest.
  4. Tactics are another thing I feel like is realistic to say he's picked up? (actually is it not?) again with the travel and the training and the whole lifestyle I feel like you'd learn out of necessity.
  5. Actually you're right about that one- my first thought was because the sons die first the more sons there are the more time the mother has before the spirit goes after her but it wouldn't actually make a difference the gender of the kids, only the number so thanks for pointing that out.
  6. I just liked the idea of him coming partly clean, giving his actually first name but not last name yet as, well I guess you could call it a symbolic gesture of having one foot in each camp. Wanting to be truthful and start over but still having all that past and trauma that you can't just let go of.
  7. It takes one to know one I guess, because Seanan's studied how not to get caught lying hes also pretty good at caucthing liars and, haha it's actually played off almost like a joke at first because the first thing that made Seanan suspicious us that Seti is very attractive and Charlie (the waiters she's seducing) is a bit more, shall we say homely. So at first it's like a little gag but then it turns out to be a lot more real and serious then just 'oh ha ha why is the hot girl dating the ugly guy?' and that's something i enjoying doing is having harmless things turn out to be great conspiracies and vise versa.
  8. Yeah you're right I have been leaving stuff out a lot. (haha I mean you know how it is you forget that not everybody is inside your head like you are) but there's actually a wholeeeee plot I left out for time sake. But in case you were curious the short version is: there's another sub-character named Mother Dubois who is almost 200 years old, trained under Marie Laveau and is really well versed in Voodoo, charms, spells etc. She and Seanan have a real Grand-mother Grand-son type of relationship. So at first Seanan likes Seti just because she is A.) Attractive (and hes a little thirsty) and B.) because he thinks (incorrectly) that shes like him in the sense that he thinks shes also torn between her past and trying to become a better person. When Mother Dubois finds out about here metaphorical grandbaby's crush she wants to help so she slips Seti a full blown love potion. Seanan doesn't know about it and just thinks she actually loves him and that pushes his passing crush into 'I do' territory. Then after a painfully long amount of times he finds out what Mother Dubois did and has her undo it and Seti reports him shortly after that.
  9. I pin that one also on that twisted psychological dependence, as much as he hates both it and her she's still got a really mental choke hold on him that he can't seem to break so he obeys her like you can see a lot in abuse relationships.
  10. The Stumpy thing is mostly prologue to explain all his half siblings and family situation as well as setting up what a horrible person his mom is. It beings her into the cult which is why he is etc, it's all mostly set up.
  11. He takes care of Cassar because there's really nowhere else for her to go, they can't just go to the US government and be like "hey here's a 5000 year old woman give her welfare please and also magic is real" Plus is sorta meant to show character growth in that hes doing something so selfisless
  12. I'd say it's yeah kinda because he has such a good dad but also just because he's still human ya know, in spite of everything he's not a monster. Also I just kinda having had such a shit life himself he can really empathize with over people's pain.
  13. The Nuadanu is always happy to have new members, even after she starts doing weird stuff and looking for the key to immortal life they don't really mind because shes not working against them and then they'll just take it when shes done, so it's a win win to let her do whatever as long as she's still ultimately doing things that will benefit them in the long run.

Yeah sorry to get you caught up in all that stumpy stuff, it only comes up a dozen or so time on the 'show' itself. in short there are some rules I made up purely for plot convince like how the evil ghost is polite enough to wait for the children to turn 20 years old before he tries to kill them. And how he'll leave you alone if you can beat him at a game of wits- to be honest it takes some suspension of disbelief. Really the main thing that's important from that is it kinda gives an origin for his mother which is that when she was first confronted with death she was so scared shes spent to rest of her life doing anything to escape it, no matter how much pain or chaos she has to cause to do it.

Anyway again, thanks so much, your interest is super encouraging.

I'm always glad to be of service, and I love seeing the answers!