forum Percy Jackson anyone? (No cussing please...)

Started June 26, 2018 by @Joy_

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If it were a straight ship, it'd be another "Broody/Sunshine" ship, which is overdone imo.
People only hype it because it's gay rep in a middle grade series, they barely have any interaction as a couple until ToA.

I didn't like Nico being gay. It wasn't Dumbledore bad but…

I sincerely disagree… It added to his character and enhanced our understanding of his suffering? I'm hoping here that you have actual reasons to disliking his sexuality other than stupid ignorance and hate?

Bottom line, Percabeth, and Solangelo are legally amazing. This is more fact than opinion for multiple reasons and in finality, the authors choice. Watch me fight you for this. (with reason, im a smol bean lol)

Watch me fight you for this. (with reason, im a smol bean lol)

Love this.

I didn't like Nico being gay. It wasn't Dumbledore bad but…

I sincerely disagree… It added to his character and enhanced our understanding of his suffering? I'm hoping here that you have actual reasons to disliking his sexuality other than stupid ignorance and hate?

If you can’t find a reason beyond those two though it seems your scope is limited.

If it were a straight ship, it'd be another "Broody/Sunshine" ship, which is overdone imo.
People only hype it because it's gay rep in a middle grade series, they barely have any interaction as a couple until ToA.

Jyn critiques it better than I did.

I didn't like Nico being gay. It wasn't Dumbledore bad but…

I sincerely disagree… It added to his character and enhanced our understanding of his suffering? I'm hoping here that you have actual reasons to disliking his sexuality other than stupid ignorance and hate?

If you can’t find a reason beyond those two though it seems your scope is limited.

Absolutely not, I'm afraid that these are the most common reasons for people who find sexuality as a thing to critic even in simple books. Also, nice to chat again with you Al

If it were a straight ship, it'd be another "Broody/Sunshine" ship, which is overdone imo.
People only hype it because it's gay rep in a middle grade series, they barely have any interaction as a couple until ToA.

Jyn critiques it better than I did.

Man I miss Jyn's critiquing

I didn't like Nico being gay. It wasn't Dumbledore bad but…

I sincerely disagree… It added to his character and enhanced our understanding of his suffering? I'm hoping here that you have actual reasons to disliking his sexuality other than stupid ignorance and hate?

If you can’t find a reason beyond those two though it seems your scope is limited.

Absolutely not, I'm afraid that these are the most common reasons for people who find sexuality as a thing to critic even in simple books. Also, nice to chat again with you Al

Where did we meet before? The awkward moment when you have made so many people annoyed and can’t remember them.

But what do you have to say against the point Jyn made? Which I would point out, does not fit your dichotomy.

I didn't like Nico being gay. It wasn't Dumbledore bad but…

I sincerely disagree… It added to his character and enhanced our understanding of his suffering? I'm hoping here that you have actual reasons to disliking his sexuality other than stupid ignorance and hate?

If you can’t find a reason beyond those two though it seems your scope is limited.

Absolutely not, I'm afraid that these are the most common reasons for people who find sexuality as a thing to critic even in simple books. Also, nice to chat again with you Al

Where did we meet before? The awkward moment when you have made so many people annoyed and can’t remember them.

maybe that says something more about you than them… Ha, it was a couple of months ago, something about PJ vs HP. A very sophisticated and very very extensive debate

But what do you have to say against the point Jyn made? Which I would point out, does not fit your dichotomy.

Jyn has actually contradicted herself here… a couple of months ago when we chatted she made a few different points against this… We mostly spoke of how Solangelo could use a lot more work then it had, OBVIOUSLY, but that we could see the benefits of it. I'm surprised she'd say what she did because I wouldn't believe it to be true personally… In any case, as the newer books come out the ship will progress further no doubt. Thoughts?

Where did we meet before? The awkward moment when you have made so many people annoyed and can’t remember them.

maybe that says something more about you than them… Ha, it was a couple of months ago, something about PJ vs HP. A very sophisticated and very very extensive debate

Perhaps. On this chat?

But what do you have to say against the point Jyn made? Which I would point out, does not fit your dichotomy.

Jyn has actually contradicted herself here… a couple of months ago when we chatted she made a few different points against this… We mostly spoke of how Solangelo could use a lot more work then it had, OBVIOUSLY, but that we could see the benefits of it. I'm surprised she'd say what she did because I wouldn't believe it to be true personally… In any case, as the newer books come out the ship will progress further no doubt. Thoughts?

The thing I have the most problem with is Riordan screaming diVeRSItY out of the pages of the book. I have nothing against true diversity. What I have a loathing for is the Token _____ Character. And that’s what this was. And it wasn’t even done well!
That is what pisses me off. Not diversity. But using gay/black/Muslim/etc. people as a device to make money off of. Plus the terrible quality of the story, especially because it pushes ideals so over the top it blocks the story. I feel he wants diverse characters that is great. He’s probably only caving to social pressures at the moment. But if he truly wanted them without the movements supporting him I would be much happier about it. Look at Spiderverse. There was some well done diversity. And one of the reasons it was so good was that they didn’t make a big deal out of it. Spider-Man is now black. Nobody questioned it. He speaks Spanish because of his mother. No comment. And that’s what makes it so good. That is the real diversity we want. No shoving it in our faces, but making a narrative where your diversity doesn’t matter because it is completely unquestioned and not an issue. And Riordan failed that. Hard.

Where did we meet before? The awkward moment when you have made so many people annoyed and can’t remember them.

maybe that says something more about you than them… Ha, it was a couple of months ago, something about PJ vs HP. A very sophisticated and very very extensive debate

Perhaps. On this chat?

no no, in private chats

But what do you have to say against the point Jyn made? Which I would point out, does not fit your dichotomy.

Jyn has actually contradicted herself here… a couple of months ago when we chatted she made a few different points against this… We mostly spoke of how Solangelo could use a lot more work then it had, OBVIOUSLY, but that we could see the benefits of it. I'm surprised she'd say what she did because I wouldn't believe it to be true personally… In any case, as the newer books come out the ship will progress further no doubt. Thoughts?

The thing I have the most problem with is Riordan screaming diVeRSItY out of the pages of the book. I have nothing against true diversity. What I have a loathing for is the Token _____ Character. And that’s what this was. And it wasn’t even done well!
That is what pisses me off. Not diversity. But using gay/black/Muslim/etc. people as a device to make money off of. Plus the terrible quality of the story, especially because it pushes ideals so over the top it blocks the story. I feel he wants diverse characters that is great. He’s probably only caving to social pressures at the moment. But if he truly wanted them without the movements supporting him I would be much happier about it. Look at Spiderverse. There was some well-done diversity. And one of the reasons it was so good was that they didn’t make a big deal out of it. Spider-Man is now black. Nobody questioned it. He speaks Spanish because of his mother. No comment. And that’s what makes it so good. That is the real diversity we want. No shoving it in our faces but making a narrative where your diversity doesn’t matter because it is completely unquestioned and not an issue. And Riordan failed that. Hard.

The points you make are valid concerning diversity and the way spider-verse handled it. However, for someone to completely dismiss the ideal and ability to write RR holds is totally uncalled for and offensive. He does seem to push the ideas of diversity incredibly (if not too far), but the whole point is that mythology is diverse. His books are diverse and therefore so are his characters. Wrong or right this was his aim and in no hate did he do this, his aim was never to offend people but empower YOUNG people. His writing is no Shakespeare nor the plot of Steven King but he had a purpose and he fulfilled it. Nico di Angelo was powerful. That is absolute. Alex in Magnus Chase was a strong character and not a representation of Gender-Fluid today but a relation of the original HISTORICAL facts from Scandinavia.

This is all completely beside the point. To call any writing without purpose and "of terrible quality" is simply incorrect. The point is, different writers, aim for different readers, it seems that you were not for him.

I do justify any of his shitty writings but I do not stand for such a shitty close-minded opinion either.

Where did we meet before? The awkward moment when you have made so many people annoyed and can’t remember them.

maybe that says something more about you than them… Ha, it was a couple of months ago, something about PJ vs HP. A very sophisticated and very very extensive debate

Perhaps. On this chat?

no no, in private chats

OH YEAH!

But what do you have to say against the point Jyn made? Which I would point out, does not fit your dichotomy.

Jyn has actually contradicted herself here… a couple of months ago when we chatted she made a few different points against this… We mostly spoke of how Solangelo could use a lot more work then it had, OBVIOUSLY, but that we could see the benefits of it. I'm surprised she'd say what she did because I wouldn't believe it to be true personally… In any case, as the newer books come out the ship will progress further no doubt. Thoughts?

The thing I have the most problem with is Riordan screaming diVeRSItY out of the pages of the book. I have nothing against true diversity. What I have a loathing for is the Token _____ Character. And that’s what this was. And it wasn’t even done well!
That is what pisses me off. Not diversity. But using gay/black/Muslim/etc. people as a device to make money off of. Plus the terrible quality of the story, especially because it pushes ideals so over the top it blocks the story. I feel he wants diverse characters that is great. He’s probably only caving to social pressures at the moment. But if he truly wanted them without the movements supporting him I would be much happier about it. Look at Spiderverse. There was some well-done diversity. And one of the reasons it was so good was that they didn’t make a big deal out of it. Spider-Man is now black. Nobody questioned it. He speaks Spanish because of his mother. No comment. And that’s what makes it so good. That is the real diversity we want. No shoving it in our faces but making a narrative where your diversity doesn’t matter because it is completely unquestioned and not an issue. And Riordan failed that. Hard.

The points you make are valid concerning diversity and the way spider-verse handled it. However, for someone to completely dismiss the ideal and ability to write RR holds is totally uncalled for and offensive. He does seem to push the ideas of diversity incredibly (if not too far), but the whole point is that mythology is diverse. His books are diverse and therefore so are his characters. Wrong or right this was his aim and in no hate did he do this, his aim was never to offend people but empower YOUNG people. His writing is no Shakespeare nor the plot of Steven King but he had a purpose and he fulfilled it. Nico di Angelo was powerful. That is absolute. Alex in Magnus Chase was a strong character and not a representation of Gender-Fluid today but a relation of the original HISTORICAL facts from Scandinavia.

This is all completely beside the point. To call any writing without purpose and "of terrible quality" is simply incorrect. The point is, different writers, aim for different readers, it seems that you were not for him.

I do justify any of his shitty writings but I do not stand for such a shitty close-minded opinion either.

Is it really offensive though?? Just because you think it is doesn’t mean it inherently is.
I am not holding his ability in contempt to any standard but his original work. The original series was better written by far (especially in book three on).
Honestly it doesn’t matter his intention. I judge based on the end quality. I appreciate good art, especially in the writing world. His original stuff was good. Not Good. But good. I couldn’t read Apollo 1 it was so bad. And I still read Sea of Monsters and Lightning Thief. And I have outgrown them some. But I get a great deal of enjoyment nonetheless. The new stuff doesn’t Spark Joy if you get what I mean. And it’s because of the quality.
Maybe his writing does empower the youth. Good for him. But that doesn’t mean it’s good. Was it really powerful? ‘Cause I didn’t feel it. And I got rather emotional over the Breakup episodes of Sanders Sides. I haven’t read the new stuff so… Idk. But personally I think the thought of the character of Alex was great.

Close minded? Try critical. I call it as I see it. If it sucks I’m not saying otherwise. He aimed for a purpose and part of it was the popularity game and not good writing.

Where did we meet before? The awkward moment when you have made so many people annoyed and can’t remember them.

maybe that says something more about you than them… Ha, it was a couple of months ago, something about PJ vs HP. A very sophisticated and very very extensive debate

Perhaps. On this chat?

no no, in private chats

OH YEAH!

lol hi!

But what do you have to say against the point Jyn made? Which I would point out, does not fit your dichotomy.

Jyn has actually contradicted herself here… a couple of months ago when we chatted she made a few different points against this… We mostly spoke of how Solangelo could use a lot more work then it had, OBVIOUSLY, but that we could see the benefits of it. I'm surprised she'd say what she did because I wouldn't believe it to be true personally… In any case, as the newer books come out the ship will progress further no doubt. Thoughts?

The thing I have the most problem with is Riordan screaming diVeRSItY out of the pages of the book. I have nothing against true diversity. What I have a loathing for is the Token _____ Character. And that’s what this was. And it wasn’t even done well!
That is what pisses me off. Not diversity. But using gay/black/Muslim/etc. people as a device to make money off of. Plus the terrible quality of the story, especially because it pushes ideals so over the top it blocks the story. I feel he wants diverse characters that is great. He’s probably only caving to social pressures at the moment. But if he truly wanted them without the movements supporting him I would be much happier about it. Look at Spiderverse. There was some well-done diversity. And one of the reasons it was so good was that they didn’t make a big deal out of it. Spider-Man is now black. Nobody questioned it. He speaks Spanish because of his mother. No comment. And that’s what makes it so good. That is the real diversity we want. No shoving it in our faces but making a narrative where your diversity doesn’t matter because it is completely unquestioned and not an issue. And Riordan failed that. Hard.

The points you make are valid concerning diversity and the way spider-verse handled it. However, for someone to completely dismiss the ideal and ability to write RR holds is totally uncalled for and offensive. He does seem to push the ideas of diversity incredibly (if not too far), but the whole point is that mythology is diverse. His books are diverse and therefore so are his characters. Wrong or right this was his aim and in no hate did he do this, his aim was never to offend people but empower YOUNG people. His writing is no Shakespeare nor the plot of Steven King but he had a purpose and he fulfilled it. Nico di Angelo was powerful. That is absolute. Alex in Magnus Chase was a strong character and not a representation of Gender-Fluid today but a relation of the original HISTORICAL facts from Scandinavia.

This is all completely beside the point. To call any writing without purpose and "of terrible quality" is simply incorrect. The point is, different writers, aim for different readers, it seems that you were not for him.

I do justify any of his shitty writings but I do not stand for such a shitty close-minded opinion either.

Is it really offensive though?? Just because you think it is doesn’t mean it inherently is.
I am not holding his ability in contempt to any standard but his original work. The original series was better written by far (especially in book three on).
Honestly it doesn’t matter his intention. I judge based on the end quality. I appreciate good art, especially in the writing world. His original stuff was good. Not Good. But good. I couldn’t read Apollo 1 it was so bad. And I still read Sea of Monsters and Lightning Thief. And I have outgrown them some. But I get a great deal of enjoyment nonetheless. The new stuff doesn’t Spark Joy if you get what I mean. And it’s because of the quality.
Maybe his writing does empower the youth. Good for him. But that doesn’t mean it’s good. Was it really powerful? ‘Cause I didn’t feel it. And I got rather emotional over the Breakup episodes of Sanders Sides. I haven’t read the new stuff so… Idk. But personally I think the thought of the character of Alex was great.

Close minded? Try critical. I call it as I see it. If it sucks I’m not saying otherwise. He aimed for a purpose and part of it was the popularity game and not good writing.

I suppose its the eye of the beholder, I loooooooooooved his original books, but this may have been more because of certain events in my life that made the book precious at the time. Percy has always been funny and the plot developed really well. I liked the second series well-enough, even though it did seem to drag on, I loved the new characters and the depth of Percabeth and the OG characters development. I agree that TOA has gone a bit far. Glad we can also agree on Alex, she/he/they/whatever are really cool.
Again, eye of the beholder, and personal experiences. I think that whatever Rick did we wouldn't have loved it anywhere near as much and introducing a new main character (apollo) put off so many fans man.

Honestly lets go about Nico. In my childhood (and in many many others I've spoken to) he changed the way I see myself and how I handle things related to him. Not only that, he is arguably the most in-depth (emotionally) character we've received from this universe. His story gradually built, his layers of emotion, the message he portrayed, everything he went through. It gave a brilliant side-story.

But by all means, debate it with me, you know I love it

Brilliant. Go ahead and give the reasons you think Nico is so deep. In fact, talk about all you love of Nico. I’ll comment on what I see. _{Also I love him the most in Titans Curse. He was so cute!}

Yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you're back! I missed you, my dude!

_{Restrains myself from saying “Thank you.”}

_{Oh my gosh I'm so sorry, I was talking to Calani bc I hadn't seen them in a while. But I did miss you too.}

Can we at least agree that there should be a Riordanverse animated show? There's too much content to make into live-action movies (especially with child actors) but it'd work really well as an animated show. Especially with the Mist, and the monsters, and small things like Alex's wardrobe.